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Unread 11-24-2006, 12:32 PM   #1
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Hello I am not new to fish

but am new to the tangayikan genre. I want to set up a community in my 75 gallon tank. I want to

have shell dwellers, an open water species, and a group of Rock dwellers as well. A synondontis

catfish would be nice if I could as well. I will be growing plants in this tank, the lights will

be bright. I need fish that don't mind the lights. I will have plenty of Caves and overhangs

for fish to scurry in and out of. I will have plenty of filtration, and I do have plenty of

powerheads if i need to keep a high current. My past experience has been with reefs, Mbuna, and

Most new world cichlids. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Unread 11-24-2006, 2:18 PM   #2
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many of the open water Tangs

don't like bright lights.
Cyprichromis, for example, are easily spooked by the lights.

This is going to be the hardest cichlid to select.
You may want to think about the common

ones, sexfasciatus for example: <a href="http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?

id=2240" target="_blank">http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=2240</a> .

Rock dwellers, the Julies can't be beat.

Shell dwellers, hard to go wrong with

any...


Check out Cichlid forum's cookie cutter article for other ideas...
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...cutter_75g.php


HTH Click the image to open in full size.
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Unread 11-24-2006, 2:22 PM   #3
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There are a lot of

different mixes that can do OK in that type of setup. For open water swimmers, Cyrprichromis

species are the first to come to mind. You don't want a rock dwelling species that'll beat

up on your cyprichromis if you do go that route. There are a number of rock dwelling species out

there, but diet may limit your mixing and matching capabilities.
For a shell dwelling species,

I'd go with a species that doesn't overun the bottom of the tank. Perhaps Neolamprologus

brevis, being one of my favorites. Telmatachromis sp "temporalis shell" would be a nice

species if you could find them.
Cyprichromis microlepidotus (bulu point maybe)
Chalinochromis sp "nbobhoi"
Neolamprologus brevis

Would probably be my

picks.
Some floating plants would give some cover for the Cyprichromis from the bright

lights.
Julidochromis regani could probably replace or coincide with the Chalinochromis in a

75 gallon. You'll have a big enough foot print to have an open sand area in the center of the

tank with large rock piles on either end and in the back for the rock dwellers.

There's my two cents.
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Unread 11-24-2006, 2:36 PM   #4
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Thanks Tim.
What plants

would you suggest that will work well with hard water. I am going to use drift wood, and thought

some type of anubias may be good to attach to the drift wood


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(post=3071:date=Nov 24 2006, 03:22 PM:name=Tim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tim @ Nov

24 2006, 03:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3071"><{POST_SNAP BACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>There are a lot of different mixes that can do OK

in that type of setup. For open water swimmers, Cyrprichromis species are the first to come to

mind. You don't want a rock dwelling species that'll beat up on your cyprichromis if you do

go that route. There are a number of rock dwelling species out there, but diet may limit your

mixing and matching capabilities.
For a shell dwelling species, I'd go with a species that

doesn't overun the bottom of the tank. Perhaps Neolamprologus brevis, being one of my

favorites. Telmatachromis sp "temporalis shell" would be a nice species if you could find

them.
Cyprichromis microlepidotus (bulu point maybe)
Chalinochromis sp

"nbobhoi"
Neolamprologus brevis

Would probably be my picks.
Some

floating plants would give some cover for the Cyprichromis from the bright lights.
Julidochromis regani could probably replace or coincide with the Chalinochromis in a 75 gallon.

You'll have a big enough foot print to have an open sand area in the center of the tank with

large rock piles on either end and in the back for the rock dwellers.

There's my two

cents.
Tim</div>
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Unread 11-24-2006, 2:47 PM   #5
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how many of each do you think I

can get away with. How many of the brevis will be ok? Will I be able to add a compriceps to the

mix?




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act=findpost&pid=3072"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Thanks

Tim.
What plants would you suggest that will work well with hard water. I am going to use

drift wood, and thought some type of anubias may be good to attach to the drift wood<!--QuoteEnd--

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Thanks Number6,

How do you feel about the

compriceps? Do you think I can use a large group of a dozen or so of one tropheus species and have

shellies and Cyprichromis?

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PM:name=number6)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(number6 @ Nov 24 2006, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><!-

-quotec-->many of the open water Tangs don't like bright lights.
Cyprichromis, for

example, are easily spooked by the lights. This is going to be the hardest cichlid to select.
You may want to think about the common ones, sexfasciatus for example: http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profile...es.php?id=2240 .

Rock

dwellers, the Julies can't be beat.

Shell dwellers, hard to go wrong with any...


Check out Cichlid forum's cookie cutter article for other ideas...
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...cutter_75g.php
HTH Click the image to open in full size.</div>
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Unread 11-24-2006, 3:41 PM   #6
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I would not mix Tropheus and

Cyps in a 4ft tank. The Trophs are likely to drive the cyps to an early grave with the stress...



The only shell dweller I would put in with Trophs would be the telmatochromis sp.

shell... these little bull dogs will hold their own but are wise enough to back down from fights

they can't win...

Why not go for a flock of trophs with the telmats in one corner

with some shells and see how that works.

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Unread 11-24-2006, 3:45 PM   #7
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That does sounds good, however I

was hoping to do at least three different types of fish. But if I can't do with out the

Tropheus then I will look into the tropheus and the tolmats. Do you recomend a site where I could

buy these fish?

<div

class='quotetop'>QUOTE(number6 @ Nov 24 2006, 04:41 PM) <a href="index.php?

act=findpost&pid=3076"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I would

not mix Tropheus and Cyps in a 4ft tank. The Trophs are likely to drive the cyps to an early grave

with the stress...

The only shell dweller I would put in with Trophs would be the

telmatochromis sp. shell... these little bull dogs will hold their own but are wise enough to back

down from fights they can't win...

Why not go for a flock of trophs with the

telmats in one corner with some shells and see how that works.

Click the image to open in full size.</div>
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Unread 11-24-2006, 4:53 PM   #8
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Well, if you're in the

US, then you should support a good breeder from the ACA's trading post.
If you aren't

an ACA member yet, then here's the Tropheus guy... I'll cheat this time! Click the image to open in full size.
Tom, mwestrich1@cinci.rr.com

he has 4

variants of Tropheus moorii , F1 at great prices...
lots of luck!
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Unread 11-24-2006, 7:41 PM   #9
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If you wanted three species of

fish and decided you wanted to go with Tropheus, (I'd stick with a milder variant in a 75), you

can look into the gobies. Eretmodus, Tanganicodus or Spathodus. Keep in mind that you'll want

to be feeding a vegetarian diet to the tank.
If you really like the Altolamprologus species,

I'd do a complete rock dwellers tank. A trio of A. calvus or compressiceps, a pair of N. brevis

or two and a pair of something a bit larger like N. sexfasciatus. (One of my favorite tangs.) You

could stack the rockwork up the backwall of the tank to avoid empty space. With enough rockwork you

could get away with a pair of J. regani in the tank as well. Cyprichromis would not do in a setup

where they could easily be bullied, as number6 mentioned. But, diet is also something you want to

keep in mind. You'll want to avoid mixing herbivores with carnivores. Click the image to open in full size.
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Unread 11-24-2006, 8:55 PM   #10
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I usually keep species

tanks but I have two Tanganyika communities set-up that work very well.

A 135g with

Tropheus sp. "Nangu", Petrochromis Trewawasae and Eretmodus Cyanostictus.



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other set-up is a 65g with Cyprichromis Leptosoma Jumbo "Tri-Color" and Enantiopus

Melanogenys.

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The

first tank harmonized very well but is very lively. There is always something going on and you

will never see a fish sit still in one corner. The other tank is more relaxing. You have the

Cyprichromis for the open water and the Melanogenys at the bottom.

Good luck selecting

and keep us posted on your decision.
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