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Unread 04-16-2012, 10:40 AM   #21
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Those fish should of NEVER BEEN SHIPPED!!! IF this seller is serious about their reputation they should shut down and sterilize EVERYTHING or from here on out they should be considered seller of contaminated fish FOREVER!!!
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Unread 04-16-2012, 1:32 PM   #22
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The fish weren't showing symptoms when they were shipped. They developed it afterwards.

Lymph is one of those diseases that just happens and is noone's fault. The dealer had no way to know the fish were infected with it.

A viral infection cannot be treated with medication. But like the common cold, it is an infection that will go away on its own with good care. And once it has passed through the system it will not spread to fry.

Here is what I do to treat a fish with lymph:

1. Isolate the fish from all other fish. Lymph is spread by contact (fish biting or rubbing against each other), a real problem with cichlids.
2. Lay egg crate on the bottom of the tank so that when the growths fall off the infected fish they fall through the egg crate and cannot be ingested or come back into contact with the fish and begin the infection process again.
3. Raise the water temperature 5 degrees.
4. For a heavily infected fish a sterile scalpel or razor blade can be used to cut the growths off. Cut the tissue around the growth (never cut the growth itself) to prevent spreading the virus. Treat the area with iodine afterwards to sterilize it.

The last method is pretty drastic and will often result in permament damage to the fins.

The virus causes undifferentiated cell growth in the skin tissues of fish. Eventually these "tumors" will choke off the capillaries that feed them and drop off. But the tumors are full of virions and if they contact another fish or other parts of the same fish they spread the infection. That is why it is important to prevent future contact as much as possible.

Sorry you lost those nice fish Smitty but at least now you are prepared if it happens again.

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Unread 04-16-2012, 2:00 PM   #23
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Great info Andy.

According to Smitty they did show symptoms " Now as bad as this looks it only got 25 percent worse since I received them." So I do not know how these fish didn't have some growths before the left the vendor. From what I have read from here and other sites this is well known from this vendor. So i will go back to my original statement that this vendor needs to do something to rectify this situation with the stock he is selling. Will this be costly? sure but less than going out of business because of word of mouth and pictures spreading across the internet like a western wildfire. will they go out of business doubt it, but I do know of 3 LFS that have quite using them because of other problem with their business practices. So with this it just adds another reason to NOT buy from them.
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Unread 04-16-2012, 4:42 PM   #24
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I just spoke with the vendor that sent me the fish that had Lymphocystis. I can tell you I really feel 1000 times better. The vendor stepped up and truly offered to make the situation right, very very apologetic. That is all one can ask.
I know many of you are wondering who the vendor is and it is not important. Based on our conversation I consider the vendor to be very ethical and credible. If you are asking would I do business with the vendor again the answer is yes.



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Glad all worked out for you Smitty. Hopefully the next fish will be 100% healthy.
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Lets clear up a couple things
1. Fish had symptoms showing when I opened the box
2. I never mentioned any vendor by name
3. The vendor stepped up to the plate and with the way it was handled it is no longer an issue. I came away with the feeling that the vendor operates in a very high ethical manner. Mistake was made and rectified and that is all I can ask. Issue closed.



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Andy you have posted the great info. Thanks for responding.



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That is a very nasty experience you went through with the disease but I am very glad to hear that the vendor stepped up and did the right thing.


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Angry

This Lymphocystis is kicking my butt and winning. Today I am going to euthanize my last 3 Black Belts. I also notice a spot on one of my Bifasciatus (Rio Chacamax). I am going to get him out of the tank and scrape him today.



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