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JustRon
05-26-2006, 1:41 PM
If you have questions about

joining the ACA, post them here.

number6
07-26-2006, 2:24 PM
With the help of a couple fo

people, we started up a fish club in Mississauga, Ont. , and have a web site... www.themfc.com

At our meetings, I brought up the ACA and asked who belonged... 0... and it has nothing to

do with us being in Canada... we buy from the US, many of us went to the ACA show (I couldn't

make it due to a prior commitment) and we plug into the US hobby for fish, equipment, and

everything else...

I signed up... and my reason was networking with other hobbyists who

might be working with Tilapia Snyderae... I hope to breed my guys and start a good bloodline...

the trading post is basically a classifieds section... there's great websites for that

already... I really was hoping for more of a networking between the serious hobbyists...

example... I only have one female... I had all males! I would have loved to trade a few males

for a female... do you think I can find anyone to contact?

Same with Victorians... I

could not see anyone who currently keeps some of the true blood vics other than a for sale add...

not what I am thinking when I read about conservation of cichlids...

so... if I renew

my member ship, or try to get anyone in the MFC to think about signing up...

what

"benefits" are there? The BB is great... don't get me wrong... that piece on convicts

was beyond the normal scope of the hobby... a real new look into a common and often overlooked

cichlid. Convicts (by myself as well) are often considered trash fish... that article made me think

of what these fish really are...

well done... but that can't be all there is to the

ACA. Is the ACA just a way for the cichlid elite to sell rare cichlids? or is it supposed to be

more?

JustRon
07-26-2006, 4:05 PM
I can understand some of your

thoughts. I heop you will take some more time here and help us make the ACA more.

We

have gotten the conservation program (CARES) started now so I hope that will provide more of what

you are looking for when you think about conservation.

The trading post here will

hopefully get going once more members realize we are here.

The Loiselle fund is getting

worked pretty hard now to have a clear mission statement and guidelines for the

conservation/research awards that the fund will begin giving next year.

maddog10
07-26-2006, 4:44 PM
number 6,

Keep

posting and start new threads. If you are looking to trade fish let people know. You may need to

look for someone to trade with. There may be a lot of people already out there who think just like

you but never put it out there for others to see.

This forum and the ACA in general are

only going to be as good as its members so don't get frustrated, get involved. Associate your

club with the ACA and set an example for others to follow. I for one am glad someone such as

yourself has voiced their opinion, but don't stop there. Myself, I have just recently gotten

involved with cichlids and look to this forum, and others, for advice and like minded people.

Again just my opinion.

Lisachromis
07-28-2006, 3:16 PM
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></a></div><div class='quotemain'>With the help of a couple fo people, we started up

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Slightly offtopic.....

Does MFC belong to CAOAC?

number6
07-31-2006, 11:46 AM
CAOAC membership is in

progress. At least we've sent off the email asking for info on how to sign up... http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Lisachromis
08-01-2006, 9:01 PM
We look forward to

seeing you be a part of it. Hopefully they don't take too long to get back to you. It is the

summer break for them.

Fogelhund
08-04-2006, 1:10 AM
Why I haven't joined

previously.

Well, I did. I joined and paid in 91', when I was at the convention,

and then was told they didn't have my application, so I wasn't a member. It wasn't a

big deal really, but I just didn't bother since.

Well, I've joined for the

second (first?) time, and hopefully my membership doesn't get lost this time. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif To be honest, I cannot answer the

question, why I am a member of the ACA, and what the ACA does for me, beyond the simplistic answer

that I had to either join the ACA or GCCA to go to the convention. It isn't that I'm

trying to be funny, or difficult, I just can't seem to find a clear and concise definition as

provided by the ACA.

What I do see is this. -> ACA.org -> Membership, Benefits of

Membership.... $USD 25 the benefits of being a member seem to be, 6 copies of the BB, and 6

copies of the Trading Post... surely there is more, and the ACA is underselling itself somewhat??

bobrfish
08-04-2006, 1:23 AM
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4 2006, 01:10 AM:name=Fogelhund)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fogelhund @ Aug 4 2006,

01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=1994)</div><div

class='quotemain'>surely there is more</div>
The

obvious answer is the convention. Hear World Class speakers. Talk to World Class Speakers one on

one. Obtain hard to find cichlids, see cichlids never seen before. Stay up all night and

party.

BB is an expensive publication and $25 is what it takes to produce six

issues of BB using volunteer writers and volunteer editorial staff.

fishmaven
08-04-2006, 3:34 AM
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@ Aug 4 2006, 01:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1994"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Why I haven't joined previously.

Well, I did. I joined and paid in 91', when I was at the convention, and then was told they

didn't have my application, so I wasn't a member. It wasn't a big deal really, but I

just didn't bother since.

Well, I've joined for the second (first?) time, and

hopefully my membership doesn't get lost this time. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif To be honest, I cannot answer the

question, why I am a member of the ACA, and what the ACA does for me, beyond the simplistic answer

that I had to either join the ACA or GCCA to go to the convention. It isn't that I'm

trying to be funny, or difficult, I just can't seem to find a clear and concise definition as

provided by the ACA.

What I do see is this. -> ACA.org -> Membership, Benefits of

Membership.... $USD 25 the benefits of being a member seem to be, 6 copies of the BB, and 6

copies of the Trading Post... surely there is more, and the ACA is underselling itself somewhat??

</div>
The following is my opinion. I'm not speaking for or

defending the ACA.

I can relate. When I first joined the treasurer didn't live in

the USA. I don't think we EVER worked that out.

I've been a life member for so

long I didn't know you had to be a member to go to a convention. I can understand a tiered

pricing level member/nonmember but requiring membership?? Are you sure??

After reading

your comments I've assumed that you live in or near Chicago. You may have joined the wrong

club. You may have benefited more from a local membership in the GCCA than ACA membership. WE, the

ACA, have one event a year. The GCCA has multiple events each year with auctions. I'm just now

finding out that many of our, the ACA, members prefer the GCCA online trading site to our TP.

We're just now moving the TP online here hoping to bring ACA members on board with the switch

from paper to web. I have no idea why it took so long. It will take time, but hopefully, many of

the ACA members will choose to post ads on both sites. Personally, I can see that sometimes I'd

prefer to deal locally (where I could see the stock before making the purchase), and other times

I'd prefer to deal out of my area (when I'm trying to get rid of stock without driving the

local prices down).

That said, I think money spent on an ACA membership well spent.

$25 would get you a cheap seat to the White Sox or Cubs ,a beer and a hot dog. If you're

pricing membership on just the BB it IS a little high at over $4 an issue, although

competitively priced. BUT, you've got the option for a lot more, intangible things.
1.

FULL access to this site - included (value impossible to determine - depends on your usage)
2.

almost instant credentials by being a member with other members. we tend to cut other members more

slack when we're trading fish and/or buying/selling fish. Despite the fact that it's buyer

beware, members treat other members differently UNTIL they find that member unworthy of such

treatment. once you've been burned, it takes a while but eventually you realize it was an

isolated experience. Knowing who raises what might be of interest if you're looking for

additional stock or information about working with a particular fish. ACA members tend to be less

"closed-mouth" with other ACA members. Granted, some don't share. That's their

option. Most do. (here again, dependent on your use)
3. some stores give discounts to club

members. here in Houston, I'm not sure GCCA membership would get you a discount, maybe, but an

ACA membership's probably fine. (another -depends)
4. FULL access to cichlid.org - giving

you access to ALL the BBs that have been archived. (I wish we had all the TPs archived too) Over

the years, that's a lot of good information. you can download some or all as PDFs at no

additional charge (unlike reports from other sites) OR buy back issues and have the printed copy as

originally distributed. Articles in the BB are freely given to ACA members, articles elsewhere are

published with the thought of renumeration. (depends on your use)
5. for the next few months

the TP will be published in paper format also, so you get those too. (you said 6/6, I said 6 BBs

plus whatever TPs come out)

Okay, a lot of this is image. Being a member of an

international tax-free organization doesn't come cheap. You may or may not want to participate

in the conservation efforts of ACA members. No one's going to come up to you and pat you on the

back and say they've heard you became a member of the ACA. Unless you tell someone you're a

member, no one's ever going to know. I'm living in an apartment complex that may have other

ACA members. There's a lot of Texas members and quite a few live in Houston. Once again,

I'll state that having a membership roster would be beneficial to ACA members. Seeing a report

from the conventions, listing numbers of members from each state, informative, making a list of

attendees available to the committee of the next convention, helpful.

I'm sure I

probably missed something that should have been listed as a benefit. Hopefully someone will chime

in with some I've missed. You have given some of us a reason to consider what we expect from

being an ACA member. That's an exercise that should be done by each of us periodically, as well

as, something people wishing to become officers should consider before submitting their names.

Dan

JustRon
08-04-2006, 7:19 AM
Well, I am not sure what

to say.

I am a Life member as well. I chose to join the ACA because.... yes, just

because.

I do like the BB, but I dont get much use from the TP. I hope the online

effort here will be more useful to me and the membership. We shall see. Maybe more will start to

use it.

I am happy about the purchase of my ACA membership as I am seeing some momentum

in the conservation field.

I am on the board. I chose to go in that direction because

of my feelings towards conservation and the hoped I could make a difference. Whether I am

succeeding or not will be seen.

I have been on the board for a couple of years now. I

am constantly bringing up the issues as I see them. I wanted this forum to be in place so members

could interact with the BOT and other members during the year. Maybe if members get on this forum

and use it, more of the BOT will see the issues our members have. I, for one, will be able to

better represent the membership if they come here and help me, through expressing their ideas.

We spent a lot of time talking about bringing the TP online. We finally got that decision

and have done it. Now, we need members to use it A LOT!

For membership:

I guess my main problem is that not everyone gains a lot from just going to the convention, some

can't attend. I think people get something from the BB, but I also think people need a bit

more to stay members. I am not sure if the forum will make a major difference to most, but I hope

it allows members to interact during the year, talk about what they want from their membership and

participate in the new conservation effort of the ACA. Basically, I want the forum so people can

help the ACA become what they want it to be, through discussion.

I also think this

would be a great place for members to make some suggestions about various things they think the ACA

could/should do. Maybe even volunteer to take an active role on a committee or effort. Maybe even

become moderators on this forum to help the ACA and other members.

If nothing else, I am

happy to give 25 dollars to the ACA and see the money go towards Cichlid efforts of education and

bringing people together.

I think this is better than the 25 dollars I spent to watch

a movie one night this year.

Fogelhund
08-04-2006, 7:57 AM
I don't want people to

feel defensive about my comments, as I'm not here to criticize the ACA as an organization. I

do think that the benefits of the ACA, are not articulated sufficiently to potential members

though. This site lists two benefits, and nothing more.


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></a></div><div class='quotemain'>The obvious answer is the convention. Hear World

Class speakers. Talk to World Class Speakers one on one. Obtain hard to find cichlids, see

cichlids never seen before. Stay up all night and party.

BB is an expensive publication

and $25 is what it takes to produce six issues of BB using volunteer writers and volunteer

editorial staff.</div>

Of course, I've enjoyed both

conventions I've been too, and hopefully I'll attend many more. Certainly the convention,

world class speakers, world class members, and the ability to learn from these people is a benefit.

Perhaps one worth articulating? http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Obtaining hard to find cichlids is becoming

easier for non-connected people these days, with on-line businesses, but certainly meeting other

hobbyists breeders is a benefit. Perhaps one worth articulating? http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I haven't had a copy of the BB yet, (except

for one where I was published) but I'll assume it is of excellent quality. Again, I think more

could be stated about this.

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-quotec-->After reading your comments I've assumed that you live in or near Chicago. You may

have joined the wrong club. You may have benefited more from a local membership in the GCCA than

ACA membership. WE, the ACA, have one event a year.</div>

Actually, I'm from Ontario. Drove seven hours to get the convention.

<!--quoteo-

-><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That said, I think money

spent on an ACA membership well spent. $25 would get you a cheap seat to the White Sox or Cubs

,a beer and a hot dog. If you're pricing membership on just the BB it IS a little high at over

$4 an issue, although competitively priced. BUT, you've got the option for a lot more,

intangible things.
1. FULL access to this site - included (value impossible to determine -

depends on your usage)
2. almost instant credentials by being a member with other members. we

tend to cut other members more slack when we're trading fish and/or buying/selling fish.

Despite the fact that it's buyer beware, members treat other members differently UNTIL they

find that member unworthy of such treatment. once you've been burned, it takes a while but

eventually you realize it was an isolated experience. Knowing who raises what might be of interest

if you're looking for additional stock or information about working with a particular fish. ACA

members tend to be less "closed-mouth" with other ACA members. Granted, some don't

share. That's their option. Most do. (here again, dependent on your use)
3. some stores

give discounts to club members. here in Houston, I'm not sure GCCA membership would get you a

discount, maybe, but an ACA membership's probably fine. (another -depends)
4. FULL access

to cichlid.org - giving you access to ALL the BBs that have been archived. (I wish we had all the

TPs archived too) Over the years, that's a lot of good information. you can download some or

all as PDFs at no additional charge (unlike reports from other sites) OR buy back issues and have

the printed copy as originally distributed. Articles in the BB are freely given to ACA members,

articles elsewhere are published with the thought of renumeration. (depends on your use)
5.

for the next few months the TP will be published in paper format also, so you get those too. (you

said 6/6, I said 6 BBs plus whatever TPs come out)

Okay, a lot of this is image. Being

a member of an international tax-free organization doesn't come cheap. You may or may not want

to participate in the conservation efforts of ACA members. No one's going to come up to you and

pat you on the back and say they've heard you became a member of the ACA. Unless you tell

someone you're a member, no one's ever going to know. I'm living in an apartment

complex that may have other ACA members. There's a lot of Texas members and quite a few live in

Houston. Once again, I'll state that having a membership roster would be beneficial to ACA

members. Seeing a report from the conventions, listing numbers of members from each state,

informative, making a list of attendees available to the committee of the next convention,

helpful.

I'm sure I probably missed something that should have been listed as a

benefit. Hopefully someone will chime in with some I've missed. You have given some of us a

reason to consider what we expect from being an ACA member. That's an exercise that should be

done by each of us periodically, as well as, something people wishing to become officers should

consider before submitting their names. Dan</div>

Thanks

for listing some of the benefits Dan. I have no qualms that I won't enjoy being a member, and

a long-time member at that. If there is one area that I think is an issue, is that you had to tell

me about these things.

I should be able to go to http://www.cichlid.org/Membership_Benefits.html and see all of these reasons,

and more. I don't think that the ACA should be shy about REALLY telling people what the

benefits of membership are.

Beyond the convention, the reason that I joined is that

I've been a cichlid breeder for nearly thirty years now. I think I owe it to this hobby to

give back a little, from something I've enjoyed for some many years.

Regards,

Brett Harrington

number6
08-04-2006, 11:52 AM
Wow, that page is rather

embarassing... there's underselling, and then there's potential self sabotage!
http://www.cichlid.org/Membership_Benefits.html

Ron, all I can say

is that the current flurry of activity you've put in to create the red list discussion section

is enough to make me renew. Wow... will be sending in my form.

Dan, good points about

the ACA... but as you said, a small local club gave me more of that than the ACA could. The ACA has

to be less of a 'fish club' and more of an organization with a purpose. At least in my

mind.

Fogelhund
08-04-2006, 1:31 PM
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@ Aug 4 2006, 04:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>After reading your comments I've assumed that

you live in or near Chicago. You may have joined the wrong club. You may have benefited more from a

local membership in the GCCA than ACA membership. WE, the ACA, have one event a year. The GCCA has

multiple events each year with auctions. I'm just now finding out that many of our, the ACA,

members prefer the GCCA online trading site to our TP. Dan</div>

I apologize for posting on this again, as I missed part of what I intended to say. Your

support of local clubs is honourable, and frankly the right thing to do. I'm not certain that

it is in the best interest of the ACA, to be suggesting to people that they shouldn't belong to

this organization though. Sure, the GCCA is a good club and there are many other good local clubs.

In Ontario, unfortunately there are no Cichlid clubs/associations, but there are some good local

fish clubs. I think people should be provided with the reasons that they should support their

local club, in addition to the ACA. The suggestion above is that membership has dropped in half

over the past 15 years, which is a disturbing trend. Shouldn't the reasons for joining be

marketed, instead of the reasons why I shouldn't have joined?

maddog10
08-04-2006, 5:09 PM
Brett,

Here is

my opinion. You should join the ACA just so you can use the BB to promote the new Greater Ontario

Cichlid Club (GOCC) that you and some of your friends should be trying to start. This forum can be

used to ask other clubs how they got started. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

fishmaven
08-04-2006, 7:47 PM
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@ Aug 4 2006, 01:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I apologize for posting on this again, as I missed

part of what I intended to say. Your support of local clubs is honourable, and frankly the right

thing to do. I'm not certain that it is in the best interest of the ACA, to be suggesting to

people that they shouldn't belong to this organization though. Sure, the GCCA is a good club

and there are many other good local clubs. In Ontario, unfortunately there are no Cichlid

clubs/associations, but there are some good local fish clubs. I think people should be provided

with the reasons that they should support their local club, in addition to the ACA. The

suggestion above is that membership has dropped in half over the past 15 years, which is a

disturbing trend. Shouldn't the reasons for joining be marketed, instead of the reasons why I

shouldn't have joined?</div>
I was just trying to give you

an honest response. And, GCCA isn't the typical "local club." My point... if someone

had only $25 for memberships...what's best can only be determined by the individual's

position and locale. Also, for members faced with annual renewal, a pro-active choice by a member,

gives us an ACTIVE member vs a passive participant. I'd rather have a member that chose to be

involved. You??

re the drop in memberships: it's nation-wide I believe. Memberships

in most local clubs have dropped too. There are some exceptions. Not many. Dan

bobrfish
08-05-2006, 1:01 PM
I may have missed the mark a

bit the other day. These are reasons to join ACA, always have and always will be.

1.

Gather, organize and disseminate knowledge of the family Cichlidae
2. Further the

conservation of cichlids and their natural habitats
3. Promote fellowship among cichlid

hobbyists

1. This is met via BB and the forum we are using this minute.
2.

This will be met via Loiselle fund shortly. In past it was met via members keeping cichlids at

risk of extinction. That effort is ongoing but formalized by CARES program. Portions of this are

also met by TP.
3. This is ACA convention.

Regarding members needing more than

this to join and retain membership, I do not think it is necessary. A member who joins either

understand 1,2,3 or does not understand it or does not care. Some members who join are likely

looking for more out of #1 than they are getting. This may happen with workshops at ACA convention

in future or it may not. When it is all said and done, ACA is not an organization for most

beginner cichlid hobbyists. It is an organization for those that love cichlids and always will.

Regarding membership for those living outside USA, the rate is same as for USA but postage

is higher. In 2002, attendance at ACA conventions required membership. There were just too many

free loaders riding ACA back to put money in their pockets. $25 to those who come a

convention to make a profit is a minor expense. What other organization allows non members to

attend their conventions?

fishmaven
08-05-2006, 1:58 PM
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@ Aug 5 2006, 01:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2087"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I may have missed the mark a bit the other day.

These are reasons to join ACA, always have and always will be.

1. Gather, organize

and disseminate knowledge of the family Cichlidae
2. Further the conservation of cichlids

and their natural habitats
3. Promote fellowship among cichlid hobbyists

1.

This is met via BB and the forum we are using this minute.
2. This will be met via Loiselle

fund shortly. In past it was met via members keeping cichlids at risk of extinction. That effort

is ongoing but formalized by CARES program. Portions of this are also met by TP.
3. This is

ACA convention.

Regarding members needing more than this to join and retain membership,

I do not think it is necessary. A member who joins either understand 1,2,3 or does not understand

it or does not care. Some members who join are likely looking for more out of #1 than they are

getting. This may happen with workshops at ACA convention in future or it may not. When it is all

said and done, ACA is not an organization for most beginner cichlid hobbyists. It is an

organization for those that love cichlids and always will.

Regarding membership for

those living outside USA, the rate is same as for USA but postage is higher. In 2002, attendance

at ACA conventions required membership. There were just too many free loaders riding ACA back to

put money in their pockets. $25 to those who come a convention to make a profit is a minor

expense. What other organization allows non members to attend their conventions?<!--QuoteEnd--

></div>
I've lost track. Where was the 2002 convention? Free loaders??

Huh? Are you talking about vendors? Elaborate please. THe ACA isn't the only organization I

support. Fish are not the only thing I enjoy. I'll say again, most of the conventions I've

been to have had a rate for members and another for non-members. Dan

Lisachromis
08-05-2006, 3:17 PM
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@ Aug 4 2006, 02:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I apologize for posting on this again, as I missed

part of what I intended to say. Your support of local clubs is honourable, and frankly the right

thing to do. I'm not certain that it is in the best interest of the ACA, to be suggesting to

people that they shouldn't belong to this organization though. Sure, the GCCA is a good club

and there are many other good local clubs. In Ontario, unfortunately there are no Cichlid

clubs/associations, but there are some good local fish clubs. I think people should be provided

with the reasons that they should support their local club, in addition to the ACA. The

suggestion above is that membership has dropped in half over the past 15 years, which is a

disturbing trend. Shouldn't the reasons for joining be marketed, instead of the reasons why I

shouldn't have joined?</div>

There was the Canadian

Cichlid Association. Were you ever a member of that? I was. I wanted it to work after what happened

with that other Canadian club. It's hard to keep membership up in a national club that's

quite far-flung. It's easier for a smaller country to have a national club where the

possibility of a meeting may happen. Are you a member of a local fish club? Our club is actually

getting a few new members. Hopefully they stick around for a while.

bobrfish
08-06-2006, 9:25 AM
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5 2006, 01:58 PM:name=fishmaven)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(fishmaven @ Aug 5 2006,

01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=2095)</div><div

class='quotemain'>I've lost track. Where was the 2002 convention? Free loaders??

Huh? Are you talking about vendors? Elaborate please. THe ACA isn't the only organization I

support. Fish are not the only thing I enjoy. I'll say again, most of the conventions I've

been to have had a rate for members and another for non-members. Dan</div><!--

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2002 was Atlanta.
Free loaders are individuals that use an ACA convention to

sell thousands of dollars worth of fish with host club and ACA recieving nothing from the free

loader. A legitimate source informed ACA BOT that one fish seller sold $8,000 worth of fish

at an ACA convention.
Vendors are not free loaders.
ACA has a rate for members and non

members. It turns out the rate for non members is $25 more than rate for members. The

$25 may be applied to a membership or convention attendee may pay the $25 and forego

membership.

Fogelhund
08-06-2006, 5:29 PM
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(post=2101:date=Aug 5 2006, 04:17 PM:name=Lisachromis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(Lisachromis @ Aug 5 2006, 04:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2101"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>There was the Canadian Cichlid

Association. Were you ever a member of that? I was. I wanted it to work after what happened with

that other Canadian club. It's hard to keep membership up in a national club that's quite

far-flung. It's easier for a smaller country to have a national club where the possibility of

a meeting may happen. Are you a member of a local fish club? Our club is actually getting a few

new members. Hopefully they stick around for a while.</div>

Yes, I am familiar with the CCA, Spencer and Klaus' efforts in those regards. Spoke to

Spencer and John(?) about the CCA in Chicago and was in contact with Klaus rather recently

regarding the CCA, really to obtain his thoughts on a National Canadian Organization.

Regarding the other organization that you speak of, I think it is best to call them a

Wholesaler/Importer, and leave it at that.

I've been a member of the Hamilton club

on and off, and will likely renew in September once meetings start again.

Lisachromis
08-06-2006, 9:56 PM
<!--quoteo

(post=2146:date=Aug 6 2006, 06:29 PM:name=Fogelhund)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fogelhund

@ Aug 6 2006, 06:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2146"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I am familiar with the CCA, Spencer and

Klaus' efforts in those regards. Spoke to Spencer and John(?) about the CCA in Chicago and was

in contact with Klaus rather recently regarding the CCA, really to obtain his thoughts on a

National Canadian Organization.

Regarding the other organization that you speak of, I

think it is best to call them a Wholesaler/Importer, and leave it at that.

I've

been a member of the Hamilton club on and off, and will likely renew in September once meetings

start again.</div>

Yeah, it's Spencer Jack and John

Sabo.

I think it's a nice term to call them for now, and I'll leave it at that

too. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

I've been to the

Hamilton auctions, but it's been a long time. It's a bit of a haul to get there. Glad to

see you're involved. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

vittleking
02-21-2009, 3:20 PM
I havn't joined

because of my experience with some people and the way they treat people because of what cichlids

they keep. I'd like to share my love of new worlds, but don't feel comfortable around

people that think people like myself have no place in a cichlid assn. weather it be the ACA or

local club. I just want to enjoy the hobby and enjoy the company of other fish nerds, peoples

attitudes make that difficult for a lot of people.

fishmaven
02-21-2009, 4:13 PM
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(post=15860:date=Feb 21 2009, 03:20 PM:name=vittleking)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(vittleking @ Feb 21 2009, 03:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=15860"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I havn't joined because of my

experience with some people and the way they treat people because of what cichlids they keep.

I'd like to share my love of new worlds, but don't feel comfortable around people that

think people like myself have no place in a cichlid assn. weather it be the ACA or local club. I

just want to enjoy the hobby and enjoy the company of other fish nerds, peoples attitudes make that

difficult for a lot of people.</div>
If I walked into a room of

300-500 cichlid people it's unlikely I'd be recognized by many. In a room that large there

tend to be "clusters" of friends, groups of people from a similar area, and a lot of

individuals that don't tend to mingle at all. You won't see many Texans in cowboy

hats.<grin> Unless you're wearing chef's pants it's unlikely anyone will point at

you and laugh. Posts and e-mails always seem much too harsh and impersonal. Looking someone in the

eye tends to change things. You may be surprised to know that while civil in such an environment,

there are many I wouldn't invite into my home or do business with. On the other hand, there are

quite a few I'd trust my house keys with while I were out of town. Breaking bread with, or

sharing a pitcher or keg, can create new things, over and beyond a first impression. I rarely buy

fish at auctions. I prefer to deal with people I know, have done business with in the past, or have

at least met at a show, convention, or trade fair. Seeing fish in the show room, the sale tanks and

in the rooms of attendees will give you the opportunity to meet the general membership, going

beyond the reception you might feel 'hanging" here. I know there are many on

flowerhorncraze that feel the same. I'm sorry for that.
Dan

vittleking
02-21-2009, 4:42 PM
I might try and make

it. My wifes aunt lives near lousville so that will be a good excuse to go LOL. If I do go,

I'll have to be the "undercover brother" LOL.

Lisachromis
02-21-2009, 8:01 PM
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(vittleking @ Feb 21 2009, 05:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=15868"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I might try and make it. My wifes

aunt lives near lousville so that will be a good excuse to go LOL. If I do go, I'll have to be

the "undercover brother" LOL.</div>

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JHG
02-26-2009, 9:06 PM
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6 2006, 10:56 PM:name=Lisachromis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lisachromis @ Aug 6

2006, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=2152)</div><div

class='quotemain'>Yeah, it's Spencer Jack and John Sabo.

I think

it's a nice term to call them for now, and I'll leave it at that too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

I've been to the Hamilton auctions, but it's been

a long time. It's a bit of a haul to get there. Glad to see you're involved. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif</div>
Hi Lisa, just wondering if that

"other club" has officially folded or what? I was reading this thread and went to check

their site but it's not even up. There used to be a large contingent of hobbyists fron NS who

"participated" with them and I remember them claiming a large "membership" but

things seemed to have dried up.

J

Lisachromis
02-27-2009, 8:13 AM
I'll find out. I

know one of the guys went to Saudi Arabia (not sure if he's still there or not) and the other

is really sick.

SubMariner
03-05-2009, 9:35 AM
<span

style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span

style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">I plan on joining the ACA very soon. Many of my

friends in the hobby have suggested that I join immediately, but right now I am committed to the

CCA. I do look forward to becoming a part of the ACA, but for now baby steps. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

</span></span>

Lisachromis
03-05-2009, 1:34 PM
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(post=16052:date=Feb 26 2009, 10:06 PM:name=JHG)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHG @

Feb 26 2009, 10:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=16052"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Hi Lisa, just wondering if that "other

club" has officially folded or what? I was reading this thread and went to check their site

but it's not even up. There used to be a large contingent of hobbyists fron NS who

"participated" with them and I remember them claiming a large "membership" but

things seemed to have dried up.

J</div>

No one

is answering me about this J. I'm going to assume it's defunct since the website is gone.

When I look them in the internet archives, the webpage had less and less on it, starting in 2007.

buntbarsch
03-05-2009, 7:30 PM
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@ Aug 6 2006, 05:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2146"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>.............. and was in contact with Klaus

rather recently regarding the CCA, really to obtain his thoughts on a National Canadian

Organization.</div>

Hmmmmm, I must have been pretty drank

or my "old-timers disease" made me forget. When exactly did we have this conversation

Brett???????????


There are members and then there are MEMBERS in any

club/organization/association. Usually the MEMBERS always get more out of this because THEY ARE

GETTING INVOLVED. Remember what President Kennedy said:" Don't ask what your country can

do for you.........", well "DON'T ASK WHAT THE ACA CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN

DO FOR THE ACA".

My apologies to anybody who is offended by reading my post but I

just get totally mad when I hear or read people whining about what they can get for their

$25.00 US (unfortunately $35.00 CAN) per year. Criticizing or over analyzing does not

help any organization to succeed but involvement helps and it starts at you local club. Usually I

do not get involved in these type of discussions but it just drives me crazy to hear people

complain.

If there is something YOU don't like about the organization you are part

of, get involved and change it.

JHG
03-05-2009, 7:40 PM
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5 2009, 03:34 PM:name=Lisachromis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lisachromis @ Mar 5

2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=16185)</div><div

class='quotemain'>No one is answering me about this J. I'm going to assume

it's defunct since the website is gone. When I look them in the internet archives, the webpage

had less and less on it, starting in 2007.</div>
Interesting.

How the mighty have fallen. Where are people in the region getting their wild caught/certificate

on the wall African cichlids these days? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

JHG
03-05-2009, 7:42 PM
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5 2009, 09:30 PM:name=buntbarsch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (buntbarsch @ Mar 5

2009, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=16187)</div><div

class='quotemain'>Hmmmmm, I must have been pretty drank or my "old-timers

disease" made me forget. When exactly did we have this conversation Brett???????????


There are members and then there are MEMBERS in any club/organization/association. Usually

the MEMBERS always get more out of this because THEY ARE GETTING INVOLVED. Remember what President

Kennedy said:" Don't ask what your country can do for you.........", well

"DON'T ASK WHAT THE ACA CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THE ACA".

My apologies to anybody who is offended by reading my post but I just get totally mad when I hear

or read people whining about what they can get for their $25.00 US (unfortunately $35.00

CAN) per year. Criticizing or over analyzing does not help any organization to succeed but

involvement helps and it starts at you local club. Usually I do not get involved in these type of

discussions but it just drives me crazy to hear people complain.

If there is something

YOU don't like about the organization you are part of, get involved and change it.<!--QuoteEnd

--></div>
I agree with you here Klaus. Sometimes it seems like people want a

massage, their car detailed, a free meal and then want you to thank them for doing it for them. I

still run into this sort of thing with regional club stuff from time to time and just shake my

head. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

Dean Hougen
03-07-2009, 11:54 AM
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(post=16190:date=Mar 5 2009, 07:42 PM:name=JHG)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHG @ Mar

5 2009, 07:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=16190"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... Sometimes it seems like people want a

massage, their car detailed, a free meal and then want you to thank them for doing it for them.

...</div>

Sounds good to me. Be here tomorrow.


Dean