View Full Version : How This Forum Works, Member Access
JustRon
05-26-2006, 1:23 PM
In order to see and use
all of the forum areas we will have to verify that you are a current member of the ACA.
**** Once you register to use this site and your account is validated. ****
Please send me an email (ron@fishpost.com) and I will verify your ACA
Membership Status, then I will upgrade your account on this site. I will need to have your name
and address used when you signed up with the ACA so please include that information when you send
me an email.
JustRon
09-22-2006, 3:53 PM
BUMP, Please PM or email me
with your full name and address used to join the ACA and I will upgrade your account here to ACA
MEMBER status.
tanganyikanhunt
07-29-2007, 11:51 AM
I am a card
carrying member of the ACA. I am not allowed to pm you by this site. Maybe Ron can do something
about that or yourself.
Do you want me to photocopy my membership card?
Patrick Kelly
07-29-2007, 12:01 PM
I sent Ron/Cichlid a
PM message asking him to check your status.
Looks like you need to be changed from
member to ACA member in the status. You say you are a member of the ACA but unless you tell him
your name I doubt he will find tanganyikanhunt listed on the ACA roster.
Thats always the
hard part. Matching names with user names.
Pat
dheideman
07-30-2007, 6:28 AM
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(post=2531:date=Sep 22 2006, 03:53 PM:name=cichlid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cichlid
@ Sep 22 2006, 03:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2531"><{POST_SNAPBACK}
></a></div><div class='quotemain'>BUMP, Please PM or email me with your full name
and address used to join the ACA and I will upgrade your account here to ACA MEMBER status.<!--
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What email address should be used to contact you?
(Accounts that aren't already activated as ACA members can't send PM's.) I'd be
happy to send my full name in tandem with my username to whoever's handling this, but would
prefer not to post it on the board itself.
By clicking on his nick does it
take you to his profile , from their can you click on the send email link?
Patrick Kelly
07-30-2007, 9:00 AM
If you still have
problems after trying that, then send me an email at finman57@comcast.net and I will try to help
get a hold of Ron.
Pat
dheideman
07-30-2007, 11:45 AM
<!--quoteo
(post=5905:date=Jul 30 2007, 07:15 AM:name=Le0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Le0 @ Jul
30 2007, 07:15 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=5905"><{POST_SNAPBACK}
></a></div><div class='quotemain'>By clicking on his nick does it take you to his
profile , from their can you click on the send email link?</div>
No, it doesn't. I get a "you don't have permission to use this feature"
error, same as trying to PM.
Pat, I'll email you.
JustRon
08-04-2007, 12:05 PM
both accounts have been
upgraded
dheideman
08-06-2007, 3:56 PM
<!--quoteo
(post=5932:date=Aug 4 2007, 12:05 PM:name=cichlid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cichlid
@ Aug 4 2007, 12:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=5932"><{POST_SNAPBACK}
></a></div><div class='quotemain'>both accounts have been upgraded<!--QuoteEnd--
></div>
Wonderful, thank you!
JustRon
02-23-2008, 10:39 PM
I will have to check the
permissions, I just don't remember.
fishmaven
02-24-2008, 2:59 AM
<!--quoteo
(post=8367:date=Feb 23 2008, 10:39 PM:name=JustRon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustRon
@ Feb 23 2008, 10:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8367"><{POST_SNAPBACK}
></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I will have to check the permissions, I just
don't remember.</div>
I think we've gone though several
times previously. A guest can do neither. A Forum Member CAN check profiles. A Forum Member CANNOT
PM. Dan
JustRon
02-24-2008, 6:18 AM
Should that be changed?
I know their are users on forum
who are only Forum Members that can PM me, for all of my sales in the TP have initiated this way.
None were from a person posting an inquiry. As to who can do what for the access that they have due
to membership I do not know the rules on.
Bobcatail
02-24-2008, 9:49 PM
As a test i recently
signed up as a new user on the forum. I wanted to see how hard it was to become a member, the
response time to registering to being sent my email to auth. I also wanted to see what roadblocks
or areas that i liked or disliked from being a new member.
I recieved my Auth email in
under 12hrs style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif then i began to look at the forum as a new user would.
I find the biggest road block to be the inability to PM a user. How this varies from person
to person that is a Forum member not a Paying ACA member i do not know. I do know that their are
some out their that have PM access even as a Forum member.
To me the TP and the areas of
knowledge are the biggest liked parts for me as a new user. It gives me an opportunity to learn
about darn near anything i want.
First by just reading what is already on site is so
vast that i would truly want to read it about 3-4 times to really absorb all the info.
Second is that if you cant find your answer you can ask and i would say that no later than the
same day would your question be answered by 1 or more people offering their advise.
The
addition of extra skins would be a + most definitely, I see that is being discussed.
To
be able to purchase fish from a forum is one of the best parts to me. If you are a seller or a
buyer.
You can see peoples posts, to include past posts by same user that has been selling
through the ACA for some time one can tell all he has to do is go back and see the same person post
a new topic on their stock list dating back for months or even years. Those people are the ones
that I as a keeper would tend to lean toward as a good breeder that has great fish.
But
the roadblock is that you cannot PM the person and ask them a question about the fish or about bulk
purchase deals, or hey anything you would like to ask, and trust me to that seller, that roadblock
just cost them a potential large sale. many new people feel intimidated to post a reply to ones
sale list. If its because they haven't done it before or they don't want to look like the
newbie i am not sure. There are many reason for this, if i were a Psychiatrist i may be able to put
forth more reasons for this. this however i am not I am merely a Mechanic that works his back and
hands off day in and day out and enjoys his Cichlids . I love being a keeper and a breeder Both
sides have separate but wonderfull parts.
I hope that this information is compelling
enough for some features to be allowed for Forum members not just Paying ACA member to have.
I know we all want as many paying members as we can get, but we have to start with Forum
members. then if they finds it to be a place they feel at home in then they will eventually be a
paying member. I would not pay to be a member to be able to PM a user. I would unfortunately turn
to a diff place to seek what fish i was looking to buy.
fishmaven
02-25-2008, 12:19 AM
<!--quoteo
(post=8402:date=Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
(Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8402"><
{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... I recieved my Auth email in
under 12hrs</div>
<span style="font-
family:Comic Sans MS">I did the same thing. I checked my e-mail immediately. The
message to check in to verify "membership of the Forum" was there.
<!--fontc--
></span>
<!--quoteo(post=8402:date=Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--
><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM) <a href="index.php?
act=findpost&pid=8402"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I find
the biggest road block to be the inability to PM a user...
To be able to purchase fish
from a forum is one of the best parts to me. If you are a seller or a buyer. You can see peoples
posts, to include past posts by same user that has been selling through the ACA for some time one
can tell all he has to do is go back and see the same person post a new topic on their stock list
dating back for months or even years. Those people are the ones that I as a keeper would tend to
lean toward as a good breeder that has great fish.</div>
<!--
fonto:Comic Sans MS--><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">I was under the
impression that TP ads were removed at the end of a month. Is this NOT true? I see the value of
tracking old ads. Maybe we could put it under the seller's profile. (Ron, if you're reading
this can we add new stuff to the profile areas?) Wait, that won't work. Most haven't even
entered a profile. How do we encourage them to do a thorough profile? I think we need a sample
profile in the pinned: If You're New to This Forum topic in the Forum Use section. Wait !
No one reads that either. (Ron, I still want to add things to the profile area)
<!--fontc--
></span>
<!--quoteo(post=8402:date=Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--
><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM) <a href="index.php?
act=findpost&pid=8402"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>But the
roadblock is that you cannot PM the person and ask them a question about the fish or about bulk
purchase deals, or hey anything you would like to ask, and trust me to that seller, that roadblock
just cost them a potential large sale. many new people feel intimidated to post a reply to ones
sale list. If its because they haven't done it before or they don't want to look like the
newbie i am not sure.</div>
<span
style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">I'd think if a seller KNOWS that Guests and
Forum members CANNOT private message(PM) them they'd do something smarter, like include another
way to contact them- phone? e-mail? carrier pigeon? No, that'll only work with Gary
Chin.<grin>
</span>
<!--quoteo(post=8402:date=Feb 24
2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008,
09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=8402)</div><div
class='quotemain'>I hope that this information is compelling enough for some
features to be allowed for Forum members not just Paying ACA member to have...<!--QuoteEnd--
></div>
<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS"><!-
-/fonto-->Bob, you always have good input, as usual this is great. BUT... in your garage, what do
you do when the customers each ask the same question? each day, new customer, same question?
Eventually you'd put up a sign so you didn't have to answer the same question or set of
questions all the time. You probably already have, more than one.
I don't know how
to implement these ideas but we've probably got someone that does...
I'd like to see
new members presented with a screen asking them to complete their profile the first time they
check-in to verify their membership in the Forum. We should have an example of how to do it
properly and completely.
After the new member has filled out their profile, they should
be shuttled to the article, or a copy of the article- If You're New to This Forum. Here
they'll be presented with the different categories of ACA Forum activity. AND that they can
check profiles but NOT PM.(They should also be told what PM is)(PM= private message) Here
they'll also find out how to inform Ron that they are currently an ACA member so that their
status can be upgraded. Ron's e-mail address is in the article as a link. It works fine with
Firefox.
Now they're presented with the ACA Forum. GO PLAY...
When
they're drawn by whatever means to the TP area they can read it all. Remember, right now
Guests and ALL members have access to the Trading Post. First time sellers should be
immediately moved to a screen giving them an example of a GOOD ad. They need to be told that where
they live and how they ship is going to be important to the buyer. They also need to be told again
that ONLY ACA members can private message(PM) them. They need to be told to provide an alternate
way for the buyer to contact them. They also need to be told that the buyers will want to know HOW
they expect to be paid. Check in advance? Collect at the airport? Credit cards? Paypal? How are
freight charges determined up front? Sellers should also be told that fish with photos sell faster.
I've stated , I still feel it's important, especially because we don't have or intend
to have a gallery(At least that's how it stands now, and in the foreseeable future), we need
reference guides for photos of fish so both the buyer and seller will be discussing the same fish;
not working with two fish, with or formerly with, the same name. (While on the name thing: Jim or
whoever oversees the Trading Post area checks the names being used. The accuracy of the name
isn't as important as customer satisfaction in a Trading Post transaction.) Sizes, ages,
sexes, pairs, trios, bag quantities, price and any discount rates should be mentioned so the seller
can provide buyers with the answers to the most common questions. Once the buyer and seller agree
to the terms, phone numbers should be exchanged, if they haven't been already, so that any last
minute changes can be updated between the buyer and seller. Sellers need continued access to this
area to refresh their memory of a good ad AND the process of the sale. Sellers need to be reminded
that they are entering a contract with the buyer. Shipping something lesser or otherwise different
than the agreement constitutes fraud. Buyers can and will prosecute.
There should also
be a special area for first time or relatively new buyers. </span><!--
fonto:Comic Sans MS--><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">Buyers need to be able
to access this area even after they are initially exposed to it. </span><!--/fontc--
><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">They should be
given advice on how to buy fish that they can't see before purchase. They should be advised on
what questions to ask the sellers. They should be told that there are ways to use a check or credit
card for a purchase even if the seller doesn't take charge cards. They should also be told that
they can use this method to make a purchase and keep their credit card numbers a secret from the
sellers. First time buyers should also be told to ask how the fish will be packed. Are there any
guarantees? What are they? A first time buyer should be informed they're entering a contract
with the seller. Buyers should also be informed that insufficent funds merits more than a
fistfight. It's illegal. Sellers can and will prosecute.
The ACA has taken the
stance that they have NO POSITION in any transaction between buyers and sellers. IMO, what a
chicken move. I believe buyers and sellers should receive a rating like on eBay. Unresolved
complaints that are carried into court should be reported on our Trading Post section by the
offended party and the resolution reported when final. At the very least potential miscreants
need to be informed that chronic abusers of the Trading Post system will be BANNED from it's
use FOREVER. (I know. I know. What are the chances that the BOT will change the stance on TP
transactions?) (If they did, how many years would it take?)
This information we're
providing the sellers and any buyers new to the process needs to be so good that Aquabid and other
auction sites will ask us if they can use it. (I think we should let them use it as long as they
acknowledge they got it from the ACA Forum and have a link to our site) It should be a model for
even individual and/or private web sites.
Now, if we were to do something like this,
would it solve your concern about using private messenger(PM)? Sure it's easier to use PM vs e
-mail. So? If you don't have a browser that will take you to your e-mail provider from a link
with a single click, who's problem is that? Why should the ACA provide a service that Forum
members are unwilling to look for, or pay for, from others for free?
Dan<!--fontc--
></span>
Lisachromis
02-25-2008, 10:53 AM
<!--quoteo
(post=8403:date=Feb 25 2008, 01:19 AM:name=fishmaven)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
(fishmaven @ Feb 25 2008, 01:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8403"><
{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>The ACA has taken the stance that
they have NO POSITION in any transaction between buyers and sellers. IMO, what a chicken move. I
believe buyers and sellers should receive a rating like on eBay. Unresolved complaints that are
carried into court should be reported on our Trading Post section by the offended party and the
resolution reported when final. At the very least potential miscreants need to be informed that
chronic abusers of the Trading Post system will be BANNED from it's use FOREVER. (I know. I
know. What are the chances that the BOT will change the stance on TP transactions?) (If they did,
how many years would it take?) Dan</div>
If you had the
chance to see what happens when things go bad in a forum where the sellers and buyers are allowed
to mention their experience, and bash the ones that they considered were bad, you would not want
them to change that stance. I have! They keep bringing it up over and over again. They blame
the forum owner for allowing the transaction. They blame others for saying "he's a good
seller". Never do they blame themselves. Often, they continue their vendetta to the point of
being ridiculous. Sometimes things happen and though the seller and the buyer did things in good
faith, things went bad. That should not be the responsibility of ACA. All ACA can do is offer to
facilitate having buyers and sellers meet in a place that's friendly and all interested parties
can deal with whomever they choose at their own risk. (No different than buying at a fish auction,
or even from rooms at ACA conventions)
fishmaven
02-25-2008, 1:01 PM
<!--quoteo
(post=8409:date=Feb 25 2008, 10:53 AM:name=Lisachromis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
(Lisachromis @ Feb 25 2008, 10:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8409"><
{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>If you had the chance to see what
happens when things go bad in a forum where the sellers and buyers are allowed to mention their
experience, and bash the ones that they considered were bad, you would not want them to change that
stance... They keep bringing it up over and over again. They blame the forum owner for allowing the
transaction. They blame others for saying "he's a good seller". Never do they blame
themselves. Often, they continue their vendetta to the point of being ridiculous. Sometimes things
happen and though the seller and the buyer did things in good faith, things went bad. That should
not be the responsibility of ACA...</div>
For some reason
people here either feel I know everything or are a complete rookie at this. I'm neither. I know
how the banter goes. This is NOT my first rodeo. I was around when the ACA's stance was taken.
I even remember names of some of the individuals involved. No one active on this Forum has been an
ACA member longer than I have, unless they visit in a Guest status. I'm sure there were other
incidents I was never made aware of too. If statements were contained in the Trading Post
reminding everyone they're entering a contract with the other party some of these instances
would be eliminated. I find it difficult at best to buy fish from anyone I don't know. In most
cases the first order you receive is NOT representative of the quality of future orders. Either
it's lousy or it's been cherry-picked. You don't really know how you're going to be
treated until the third or fourth shipment. I know, EACH of our sellers feel they're the
exception. All of their customers receive top quality each time. I agree, in most cases it IS true
here, or would be if the buyer has a brain or knows how to ask questions and the correct questions
to ask. That's the reason I asked Jim C. to post about shipping, starting a thread I had hoped
would include most if not all of our sellers. Over the years I've spent in the industry I can
count on my fingers the jobbers and fish farms I'd trust to provide me with the quality I want
each time I do business with them. Dealing with these individuals, problems are non-existant or
rare. Typically it's a mistake. Always adjustments can be made. Reasonable people know how to
do this. I've also told people here how to "shop" for future suppliers at conventions
or auctions. I've informed them how to determine IF they even want a seller's fish list.
Unfortunately, you can lead people around by the hand, giving them time to look at the signs, and
still they don't remember the path they've taken. They're lost without someone telling
them the decision to make EACH time a decision needs to be made.
It's a function of
the moderator to either control the noise/chatter, or eliminate it. Comments made can be edited to
eliminate the attack and still provide information to potential customers. People will be people
and sometimes need to be told they're being ridiculous. If their friends won't tell them,
someone else should step in. I'm not trying to change the world, only trying to make a little
more sense out of it. I'm also not asking the ACA to take the responsibility for whatever
problems come up. IMO, if a venue for the transaction is provided, it's only logical that the
same venue should be used to inform potential customers of either of the complaining buyer or
seller that they may have a similar problem. If not, it's like leaving broken glass on your
doorstep when you know it's there. Crap like that needs to be cleaned up. OR we need to go out
of the Trading Post business. I've stated that this is my opinion. I don't know how to
state anyone else's.
Dan
Bobcatail
02-25-2008, 9:04 PM
To add an email link or a
diff way to get ahold of a seller is easy enough. I guess somewhere in my post i got off topic in
trying to show what i was seeing through the eyes of a new user.
I suppose the only
valid question i would have is, how are some of the non ACA members able to PM a user while others
cant?
I know this to be true as for i mentioned this was a test that i wanted to do to
see how the forum looks to a new user and what items would bee seen as a + or a - But as a new
member I do not have access to neither the ability to view profiles or PM.
I guess
that was were i was going. Also trying to see if I was new member would the roadblocks that stop a
user from full access to the forum give them the reason to become an ACA Member.
As for
the TP you can view back as far as the 29th of June 2006 It is a nice thing to have, it as i
mentioned great to look back and see who posts fish for sale and how often do they put out new
posts for their new stock style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
fishmaven
02-26-2008, 3:31 AM
<!--quoteo
(post=8443:date=Feb 25 2008, 09:04 PM:name=Bobactial)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
(Bobactial @ Feb 25 2008, 09:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8443"><
{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... I suppose the only valid
question i would have is, how are some of the non ACA members able to PM a user while others cant?
I know this to be true as for i mentioned this was a test that i wanted to do to see
how the forum looks to a new user and what items would bee seen as a + or a - But as a new member I
do not have access to neither the ability to view profiles or PM. ...
As for the TP you
can view back as far as the 29th of June 2006 It is a nice thing to have, it as i mentioned great
to look back and see who posts fish for sale and how often do they put out new posts for their new
stock style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif</div>
I did a similar test with
different results. I was able to view profiles but unable to PM any of the people that I viewed.
Is it possible that the people that can PM others were early members? Someone special in
the ACA?
For some reason I go two messages to verify my membership.
Although
I kept my BBs for some reason I tossed my TPs. I wish I had them all now. what I find
interesting... who was keeping what back in the 70s and 80s. Dan
JustRon
02-26-2008, 4:48 AM
As I said, PLEASE give me a
chance to look at the settings. I am NOT looking to keep people from participating here and
hopefully joining the ACA.
I have been a bit tied up, but I now have the GALLERY
software installed on this server so we can soon start a photo effort. BUT, I want to see how best
to configure the gallery features before I make it fully public, so you will ALL get an error
message if you go there now.
Once this gallery issue is resolved I will return to look
at member, forum member, and ACA member actions authorized.
JustRon
02-26-2008, 5:13 AM
I have looked at the
settings, removed the Forum Member group as it was an older Security feature and auto permission
improvement method we no longer need.
Members should be able to view profiles and PM,
also the TP.
Claudia
02-28-2008, 2:23 AM
<span
style="color:#006400">
Thank you, Ron, for all of you efforts!
All the Best!
Claudia
</span>
Fishworm
09-29-2008, 11:42 AM
seems my account was
finally validated, but I still dont have member access. I sent a couple emails your way Ron.
JustRon
10-01-2008, 5:10 PM
I will get it upgraded as I
should get a new membership list ASAP so I can validate members.
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