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JustRon
05-26-2006, 1:23 PM
In order to see and use

all of the forum areas we will have to verify that you are a current member of the ACA.



**** Once you register to use this site and your account is validated. ****




Please send me an email (ron@fishpost.com) and I will verify your ACA

Membership Status, then I will upgrade your account on this site. I will need to have your name

and address used when you signed up with the ACA so please include that information when you send

me an email.

JustRon
09-22-2006, 3:53 PM
BUMP, Please PM or email me

with your full name and address used to join the ACA and I will upgrade your account here to ACA

MEMBER status.

tanganyikanhunt
07-29-2007, 11:51 AM
I am a card

carrying member of the ACA. I am not allowed to pm you by this site. Maybe Ron can do something

about that or yourself.

Do you want me to photocopy my membership card?

Patrick Kelly
07-29-2007, 12:01 PM
I sent Ron/Cichlid a

PM message asking him to check your status.

Looks like you need to be changed from

member to ACA member in the status. You say you are a member of the ACA but unless you tell him

your name I doubt he will find tanganyikanhunt listed on the ACA roster.
Thats always the

hard part. Matching names with user names.

Pat

dheideman
07-30-2007, 6:28 AM
<!--quoteo

(post=2531:date=Sep 22 2006, 03:53 PM:name=cichlid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cichlid

@ Sep 22 2006, 03:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2531"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>BUMP, Please PM or email me with your full name

and address used to join the ACA and I will upgrade your account here to ACA MEMBER status.<!--

QuoteEnd--></div>

What email address should be used to contact you?

(Accounts that aren't already activated as ACA members can't send PM's.) I'd be

happy to send my full name in tandem with my username to whoever's handling this, but would

prefer not to post it on the board itself.

Le0
07-30-2007, 7:15 AM
By clicking on his nick does it

take you to his profile , from their can you click on the send email link?

Patrick Kelly
07-30-2007, 9:00 AM
If you still have

problems after trying that, then send me an email at finman57@comcast.net and I will try to help

get a hold of Ron.


Pat

dheideman
07-30-2007, 11:45 AM
<!--quoteo

(post=5905:date=Jul 30 2007, 07:15 AM:name=Le0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Le0 @ Jul

30 2007, 07:15 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=5905"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>By clicking on his nick does it take you to his

profile , from their can you click on the send email link?</div>

No, it doesn't. I get a "you don't have permission to use this feature"

error, same as trying to PM.

Pat, I'll email you.

JustRon
08-04-2007, 12:05 PM
both accounts have been

upgraded

dheideman
08-06-2007, 3:56 PM
<!--quoteo

(post=5932:date=Aug 4 2007, 12:05 PM:name=cichlid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cichlid

@ Aug 4 2007, 12:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=5932"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>both accounts have been upgraded<!--QuoteEnd--

></div>
Wonderful, thank you!

JustRon
02-23-2008, 10:39 PM
I will have to check the

permissions, I just don't remember.

fishmaven
02-24-2008, 2:59 AM
<!--quoteo

(post=8367:date=Feb 23 2008, 10:39 PM:name=JustRon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustRon

@ Feb 23 2008, 10:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8367"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I will have to check the permissions, I just

don't remember.</div>
I think we've gone though several

times previously. A guest can do neither. A Forum Member CAN check profiles. A Forum Member CANNOT

PM. Dan

JustRon
02-24-2008, 6:18 AM
Should that be changed?

Le0
02-24-2008, 12:20 PM
I know their are users on forum

who are only Forum Members that can PM me, for all of my sales in the TP have initiated this way.

None were from a person posting an inquiry. As to who can do what for the access that they have due

to membership I do not know the rules on.

Bobcatail
02-24-2008, 9:49 PM
As a test i recently

signed up as a new user on the forum. I wanted to see how hard it was to become a member, the

response time to registering to being sent my email to auth. I also wanted to see what roadblocks

or areas that i liked or disliked from being a new member.

I recieved my Auth email in

under 12hrs style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif then i began to look at the forum as a new user would.

I find the biggest road block to be the inability to PM a user. How this varies from person

to person that is a Forum member not a Paying ACA member i do not know. I do know that their are

some out their that have PM access even as a Forum member.

To me the TP and the areas of

knowledge are the biggest liked parts for me as a new user. It gives me an opportunity to learn

about darn near anything i want.

First by just reading what is already on site is so

vast that i would truly want to read it about 3-4 times to really absorb all the info.

Second is that if you cant find your answer you can ask and i would say that no later than the

same day would your question be answered by 1 or more people offering their advise.

The

addition of extra skins would be a + most definitely, I see that is being discussed.

To

be able to purchase fish from a forum is one of the best parts to me. If you are a seller or a

buyer.
You can see peoples posts, to include past posts by same user that has been selling

through the ACA for some time one can tell all he has to do is go back and see the same person post

a new topic on their stock list dating back for months or even years. Those people are the ones

that I as a keeper would tend to lean toward as a good breeder that has great fish.

But

the roadblock is that you cannot PM the person and ask them a question about the fish or about bulk

purchase deals, or hey anything you would like to ask, and trust me to that seller, that roadblock

just cost them a potential large sale. many new people feel intimidated to post a reply to ones

sale list. If its because they haven't done it before or they don't want to look like the

newbie i am not sure. There are many reason for this, if i were a Psychiatrist i may be able to put

forth more reasons for this. this however i am not I am merely a Mechanic that works his back and

hands off day in and day out and enjoys his Cichlids . I love being a keeper and a breeder Both

sides have separate but wonderfull parts.

I hope that this information is compelling

enough for some features to be allowed for Forum members not just Paying ACA member to have.

I know we all want as many paying members as we can get, but we have to start with Forum

members. then if they finds it to be a place they feel at home in then they will eventually be a

paying member. I would not pay to be a member to be able to PM a user. I would unfortunately turn

to a diff place to seek what fish i was looking to buy.

fishmaven
02-25-2008, 12:19 AM
<!--quoteo

(post=8402:date=Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8402"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... I recieved my Auth email in

under 12hrs</div>
<span style="font-

family:Comic Sans MS">I did the same thing. I checked my e-mail immediately. The

message to check in to verify "membership of the Forum" was there.
<!--fontc--

></span>
<!--quoteo(post=8402:date=Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--

><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM) <a href="index.php?

act=findpost&pid=8402"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I find

the biggest road block to be the inability to PM a user...

To be able to purchase fish

from a forum is one of the best parts to me. If you are a seller or a buyer. You can see peoples

posts, to include past posts by same user that has been selling through the ACA for some time one

can tell all he has to do is go back and see the same person post a new topic on their stock list

dating back for months or even years. Those people are the ones that I as a keeper would tend to

lean toward as a good breeder that has great fish.</div>
<!--

fonto:Comic Sans MS--><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">I was under the

impression that TP ads were removed at the end of a month. Is this NOT true? I see the value of

tracking old ads. Maybe we could put it under the seller's profile. (Ron, if you're reading

this can we add new stuff to the profile areas?) Wait, that won't work. Most haven't even

entered a profile. How do we encourage them to do a thorough profile? I think we need a sample

profile in the pinned: If You're New to This Forum topic in the Forum Use section. Wait !

No one reads that either. (Ron, I still want to add things to the profile area)
<!--fontc--

></span>
<!--quoteo(post=8402:date=Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--

><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008, 09:49 PM) <a href="index.php?

act=findpost&pid=8402"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>But the

roadblock is that you cannot PM the person and ask them a question about the fish or about bulk

purchase deals, or hey anything you would like to ask, and trust me to that seller, that roadblock

just cost them a potential large sale. many new people feel intimidated to post a reply to ones

sale list. If its because they haven't done it before or they don't want to look like the

newbie i am not sure.</div>
<span

style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">I'd think if a seller KNOWS that Guests and

Forum members CANNOT private message(PM) them they'd do something smarter, like include another

way to contact them- phone? e-mail? carrier pigeon? No, that'll only work with Gary

Chin.<grin>
</span>
<!--quoteo(post=8402:date=Feb 24

2008, 09:49 PM:name=Bobactial)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bobactial @ Feb 24 2008,

09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=8402)</div><div

class='quotemain'>I hope that this information is compelling enough for some

features to be allowed for Forum members not just Paying ACA member to have...<!--QuoteEnd--

></div>
<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS"><!-

-/fonto-->Bob, you always have good input, as usual this is great. BUT... in your garage, what do

you do when the customers each ask the same question? each day, new customer, same question?

Eventually you'd put up a sign so you didn't have to answer the same question or set of

questions all the time. You probably already have, more than one.

I don't know how

to implement these ideas but we've probably got someone that does...
I'd like to see

new members presented with a screen asking them to complete their profile the first time they

check-in to verify their membership in the Forum. We should have an example of how to do it

properly and completely.

After the new member has filled out their profile, they should

be shuttled to the article, or a copy of the article- If You're New to This Forum. Here

they'll be presented with the different categories of ACA Forum activity. AND that they can

check profiles but NOT PM.(They should also be told what PM is)(PM= private message) Here

they'll also find out how to inform Ron that they are currently an ACA member so that their

status can be upgraded. Ron's e-mail address is in the article as a link. It works fine with

Firefox.

Now they're presented with the ACA Forum. GO PLAY...

When

they're drawn by whatever means to the TP area they can read it all. Remember, right now

Guests and ALL members have access to the Trading Post. First time sellers should be

immediately moved to a screen giving them an example of a GOOD ad. They need to be told that where

they live and how they ship is going to be important to the buyer. They also need to be told again

that ONLY ACA members can private message(PM) them. They need to be told to provide an alternate

way for the buyer to contact them. They also need to be told that the buyers will want to know HOW

they expect to be paid. Check in advance? Collect at the airport? Credit cards? Paypal? How are

freight charges determined up front? Sellers should also be told that fish with photos sell faster.

I've stated , I still feel it's important, especially because we don't have or intend

to have a gallery(At least that's how it stands now, and in the foreseeable future), we need

reference guides for photos of fish so both the buyer and seller will be discussing the same fish;

not working with two fish, with or formerly with, the same name. (While on the name thing: Jim or

whoever oversees the Trading Post area checks the names being used. The accuracy of the name

isn't as important as customer satisfaction in a Trading Post transaction.) Sizes, ages,

sexes, pairs, trios, bag quantities, price and any discount rates should be mentioned so the seller

can provide buyers with the answers to the most common questions. Once the buyer and seller agree

to the terms, phone numbers should be exchanged, if they haven't been already, so that any last

minute changes can be updated between the buyer and seller. Sellers need continued access to this

area to refresh their memory of a good ad AND the process of the sale. Sellers need to be reminded

that they are entering a contract with the buyer. Shipping something lesser or otherwise different

than the agreement constitutes fraud. Buyers can and will prosecute.

There should also

be a special area for first time or relatively new buyers. </span><!--

fonto:Comic Sans MS--><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">Buyers need to be able

to access this area even after they are initially exposed to it. </span><!--/fontc--

><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">They should be

given advice on how to buy fish that they can't see before purchase. They should be advised on

what questions to ask the sellers. They should be told that there are ways to use a check or credit

card for a purchase even if the seller doesn't take charge cards. They should also be told that

they can use this method to make a purchase and keep their credit card numbers a secret from the

sellers. First time buyers should also be told to ask how the fish will be packed. Are there any

guarantees? What are they? A first time buyer should be informed they're entering a contract

with the seller. Buyers should also be informed that insufficent funds merits more than a

fistfight. It's illegal. Sellers can and will prosecute.

The ACA has taken the

stance that they have NO POSITION in any transaction between buyers and sellers. IMO, what a

chicken move. I believe buyers and sellers should receive a rating like on eBay. Unresolved

complaints that are carried into court should be reported on our Trading Post section by the

offended party and the resolution reported when final. At the very least potential miscreants

need to be informed that chronic abusers of the Trading Post system will be BANNED from it's

use FOREVER. (I know. I know. What are the chances that the BOT will change the stance on TP

transactions?) (If they did, how many years would it take?)

This information we're

providing the sellers and any buyers new to the process needs to be so good that Aquabid and other

auction sites will ask us if they can use it. (I think we should let them use it as long as they

acknowledge they got it from the ACA Forum and have a link to our site) It should be a model for

even individual and/or private web sites.

Now, if we were to do something like this,

would it solve your concern about using private messenger(PM)? Sure it's easier to use PM vs e

-mail. So? If you don't have a browser that will take you to your e-mail provider from a link

with a single click, who's problem is that? Why should the ACA provide a service that Forum

members are unwilling to look for, or pay for, from others for free?
Dan<!--fontc--

></span>

Lisachromis
02-25-2008, 10:53 AM
<!--quoteo

(post=8403:date=Feb 25 2008, 01:19 AM:name=fishmaven)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(fishmaven @ Feb 25 2008, 01:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8403"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>The ACA has taken the stance that

they have NO POSITION in any transaction between buyers and sellers. IMO, what a chicken move. I

believe buyers and sellers should receive a rating like on eBay. Unresolved complaints that are

carried into court should be reported on our Trading Post section by the offended party and the

resolution reported when final. At the very least potential miscreants need to be informed that

chronic abusers of the Trading Post system will be BANNED from it's use FOREVER. (I know. I

know. What are the chances that the BOT will change the stance on TP transactions?) (If they did,

how many years would it take?) Dan</div>

If you had the

chance to see what happens when things go bad in a forum where the sellers and buyers are allowed

to mention their experience, and bash the ones that they considered were bad, you would not want

them to change that stance. I have! They keep bringing it up over and over again. They blame

the forum owner for allowing the transaction. They blame others for saying "he's a good

seller". Never do they blame themselves. Often, they continue their vendetta to the point of

being ridiculous. Sometimes things happen and though the seller and the buyer did things in good

faith, things went bad. That should not be the responsibility of ACA. All ACA can do is offer to

facilitate having buyers and sellers meet in a place that's friendly and all interested parties

can deal with whomever they choose at their own risk. (No different than buying at a fish auction,

or even from rooms at ACA conventions)

fishmaven
02-25-2008, 1:01 PM
<!--quoteo

(post=8409:date=Feb 25 2008, 10:53 AM:name=Lisachromis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(Lisachromis @ Feb 25 2008, 10:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8409"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>If you had the chance to see what

happens when things go bad in a forum where the sellers and buyers are allowed to mention their

experience, and bash the ones that they considered were bad, you would not want them to change that

stance... They keep bringing it up over and over again. They blame the forum owner for allowing the

transaction. They blame others for saying "he's a good seller". Never do they blame

themselves. Often, they continue their vendetta to the point of being ridiculous. Sometimes things

happen and though the seller and the buyer did things in good faith, things went bad. That should

not be the responsibility of ACA...</div>
For some reason

people here either feel I know everything or are a complete rookie at this. I'm neither. I know

how the banter goes. This is NOT my first rodeo. I was around when the ACA's stance was taken.

I even remember names of some of the individuals involved. No one active on this Forum has been an

ACA member longer than I have, unless they visit in a Guest status. I'm sure there were other

incidents I was never made aware of too. If statements were contained in the Trading Post

reminding everyone they're entering a contract with the other party some of these instances

would be eliminated. I find it difficult at best to buy fish from anyone I don't know. In most

cases the first order you receive is NOT representative of the quality of future orders. Either

it's lousy or it's been cherry-picked. You don't really know how you're going to be

treated until the third or fourth shipment. I know, EACH of our sellers feel they're the

exception. All of their customers receive top quality each time. I agree, in most cases it IS true

here, or would be if the buyer has a brain or knows how to ask questions and the correct questions

to ask. That's the reason I asked Jim C. to post about shipping, starting a thread I had hoped

would include most if not all of our sellers. Over the years I've spent in the industry I can

count on my fingers the jobbers and fish farms I'd trust to provide me with the quality I want

each time I do business with them. Dealing with these individuals, problems are non-existant or

rare. Typically it's a mistake. Always adjustments can be made. Reasonable people know how to

do this. I've also told people here how to "shop" for future suppliers at conventions

or auctions. I've informed them how to determine IF they even want a seller's fish list.

Unfortunately, you can lead people around by the hand, giving them time to look at the signs, and

still they don't remember the path they've taken. They're lost without someone telling

them the decision to make EACH time a decision needs to be made.

It's a function of

the moderator to either control the noise/chatter, or eliminate it. Comments made can be edited to

eliminate the attack and still provide information to potential customers. People will be people

and sometimes need to be told they're being ridiculous. If their friends won't tell them,

someone else should step in. I'm not trying to change the world, only trying to make a little

more sense out of it. I'm also not asking the ACA to take the responsibility for whatever

problems come up. IMO, if a venue for the transaction is provided, it's only logical that the

same venue should be used to inform potential customers of either of the complaining buyer or

seller that they may have a similar problem. If not, it's like leaving broken glass on your

doorstep when you know it's there. Crap like that needs to be cleaned up. OR we need to go out

of the Trading Post business. I've stated that this is my opinion. I don't know how to

state anyone else's.
Dan

Bobcatail
02-25-2008, 9:04 PM
To add an email link or a

diff way to get ahold of a seller is easy enough. I guess somewhere in my post i got off topic in

trying to show what i was seeing through the eyes of a new user.

I suppose the only

valid question i would have is, how are some of the non ACA members able to PM a user while others

cant?

I know this to be true as for i mentioned this was a test that i wanted to do to

see how the forum looks to a new user and what items would bee seen as a + or a - But as a new

member I do not have access to neither the ability to view profiles or PM.

I guess

that was were i was going. Also trying to see if I was new member would the roadblocks that stop a

user from full access to the forum give them the reason to become an ACA Member.

As for

the TP you can view back as far as the 29th of June 2006 It is a nice thing to have, it as i

mentioned great to look back and see who posts fish for sale and how often do they put out new

posts for their new stock style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

fishmaven
02-26-2008, 3:31 AM
<!--quoteo

(post=8443:date=Feb 25 2008, 09:04 PM:name=Bobactial)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(Bobactial @ Feb 25 2008, 09:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=8443"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... I suppose the only valid

question i would have is, how are some of the non ACA members able to PM a user while others cant?



I know this to be true as for i mentioned this was a test that i wanted to do to see

how the forum looks to a new user and what items would bee seen as a + or a - But as a new member I

do not have access to neither the ability to view profiles or PM. ...

As for the TP you

can view back as far as the 29th of June 2006 It is a nice thing to have, it as i mentioned great

to look back and see who posts fish for sale and how often do they put out new posts for their new

stock style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif</div>
I did a similar test with

different results. I was able to view profiles but unable to PM any of the people that I viewed.

Is it possible that the people that can PM others were early members? Someone special in

the ACA?

For some reason I go two messages to verify my membership.

Although

I kept my BBs for some reason I tossed my TPs. I wish I had them all now. what I find

interesting... who was keeping what back in the 70s and 80s. Dan

JustRon
02-26-2008, 4:48 AM
As I said, PLEASE give me a

chance to look at the settings. I am NOT looking to keep people from participating here and

hopefully joining the ACA.

I have been a bit tied up, but I now have the GALLERY

software installed on this server so we can soon start a photo effort. BUT, I want to see how best

to configure the gallery features before I make it fully public, so you will ALL get an error

message if you go there now.

Once this gallery issue is resolved I will return to look

at member, forum member, and ACA member actions authorized.

JustRon
02-26-2008, 5:13 AM
I have looked at the

settings, removed the Forum Member group as it was an older Security feature and auto permission

improvement method we no longer need.

Members should be able to view profiles and PM,

also the TP.

Claudia
02-28-2008, 2:23 AM
<span

style="color:#006400">

Thank you, Ron, for all of you efforts!

All the Best!
Claudia
</span>

Fishworm
09-29-2008, 11:42 AM
seems my account was

finally validated, but I still dont have member access. I sent a couple emails your way Ron.

JustRon
10-01-2008, 5:10 PM
I will get it upgraded as I

should get a new membership list ASAP so I can validate members.