Cichlid books and research papers

[fishmaven]

One of the things I feel

missing from all the cichlid sites I've visited is a good list of cichlid books and research

papers. This could also be a place for collection maps. Because it's just a list it could

include foreign publications not readily found in English. I'd like to see a

comprehensive list on either the ACA website OR somewhere here on this Forum. What I feel it

should include initially:

Title of book or paper
Author or Authors
Publication

date
ISBN if available or appropriate
Publisher
Format- Hardbound, paperback or

other
General content if the title is not specific
Whether it has photos (black and white

or color) line-drawings or just text, number of pages

IMO, reviews should be found

elsewhere. Yes, I feel it should be limited to cichlids. Dan

[JustRon]

I think it is a good idea. It

would be nice to know before buying that the contents relate to fish I am interested in and a bit

of the scope.

Should we place the list here or on the ACA website?

[fishmaven]

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></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Should we place the list here or on the ACA

website?</div>
If it were posted here it'd probably just be

a really long string of posts that no one would want to work through.

I'm talking

about just a list, without additional comments. Something someone could printout and carry when

shopping or highlight for a wish list. Unless we could fromulate the list HERE and afterward pin it

and still make additions it might be better on the ACA site. Personally, I think we'd do a

better job. If we did it here we could start now rather than waiting for the new officers to get

settled and then some offical decree.

Okay, maybe WE should do the list here. When

it's fleshed out it could be added to the ACA site if they wanted. Updates could be done here.

Dan

[Mike Wise]

My first question is who

determines whether a book is quality or not? I have my opinions on SA cichlids - and they are not

published in English - but others may have a very different opinion.

[Tim]

A database should be created with

the appropriate fields index_number, book title, isbn number, author, price, category (general,

Rift lake, West African, Asian, SA, CA) etc.
THen we should have a web page for admins to

input the books. You have a separate database that holds votes that refers to the book by the index

or isbn.
On the out put page, you add a link to vote for the books. This would allow others

to see what people think of the books. Also makes the list all follow the same format through the

admin's input of it into the database.
That's how I would set it up. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
Tim

[fishmaven]

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></a></div><div class='quotemain'>My first question is who determines whether a book

is quality or not? I have my opinions on SA cichlids - and they are not published in English - but

others may have a very different opinion.</div>
Mike, while I

value your opinion, what I'm describing would be just a list of pubs.

If we

depended on members to submit items to the list more than likely the favorites would be submitted

first. I guess the closest thing to what I'm describing would be a bibliography. Yes, I think

the things you consider crappy should be on the list too.

For foreign pubs, getting

them on the list would be the first step. If the interest is there for a translation someone can

then step up.

The books I'd like an english translation of is a catfish book.

_Revisiones de Synodontis_ Poll. It's in French. Despite this, I'm pushing for a cichlid

list. Dan

[Mike Wise]

The DCG (German Cichlid

Association) presently has such a data base with over 2000 books and papers.

[fishmaven]

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></a></div><div class='quotemain'>The DCG (German Cichlid Association) presently has

such a data base with over 2000 books and papers.</div>

Mike, I tried this link (http://www.dcg-niederrhein.de/index.html) but the page said it's

under construction, in German, of course. Is this the right link??

Nevermind. This one

works. <http://www.dcg-online.de/noFrames/files/index.html> Now I'll go back and explore.



Okay, neither of these links took me to a database of books and papers. I don't

read German very well. Do you have a link?
Thanks, Dan

*** For lurkers... I left

the links purposely so you can click to go there rather than doing a search. ***

[Mike Wise]

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I don't think it's on their web site, but is

available only to their members by contacting their reference librarian & requesting references

on specific species. It certainly isn't as efficient as an on line data base.

[fishmaven]

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Isn't there something like an electronic library card

file available? Dan

[buntbarsch]

I was a member of the DCG

before I moved to Canada. Their archives are for members only. They also have a slide archive of

over 3000 slides. Besides the magazine "DCG-Information" each members receives also a

set of 12 slides every year.

The DCG is structured very differend from the ACA. They

are divided into reginal groups that conduct their own meetings every month and hold their own

shows and auctions. Some projects like the archives, the magazine, managing of research funds etc.

is handled on a national level.

[fishmaven]

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></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't there something like an electronic

library card file available? Dan</div>
Evidently there's

something NEW replacing the traditional card file index found in libraries, OPAC, or online public

access catalog. Unfortunately, it's normally isolated to library systems and not tied together

centrally.
So... to follow up, I want to check some of the college systems that would have

large cichlid based library contents. Colleges that come to mind would be :
Michigan- Bob

Miller's home base,
Berkley- Barlow's home base.
At least one of the A&Ms

somewhere would probably have a decent collection for food or growout possibilities.
Mississippi and Alabama would house mostly catfish and food items, I'd think.

Any

other suggestions?

I don't want to bug Wayne or Paul, although I will if no one can

help. Maybe Ron Coleman?

Also, how do I hijack their info to use here? Dan