Ptychochromis spawned last night

[dstuer]

Prepairing the site Sat
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/dstuer/image001-21.jpg
after spawn this morn, had to use a flashlight to see the eggs
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/dstuer/image001-20.jpg
phone cam, thus the blurr
they do have some serious neighboring threats
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/dstuer/image001-19.jpg
the above is thte smaller of 6 haits.
Hey Sam, one or your babies from the ACA.

[Damba]

Hopefully you'll get this

soon! Great fish. Congrats!

[vkfu]

Nice! Where did you get

your oligacanthus? Do you know where they were collected from originally?

[Damba]

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class='quotemain'>Nice! Where did you get your oligacanthus? Do you know where

they were collected from originally?</div>


I got

them from Joerg Albering in Austria; they come from Lake Bembazava on Nosey Be.

[bobrfish]

I kept Lake Bembazava

Ptychochromis oligocanthus and these look just like mine.

Mine were from Old World

Exotics.

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class='quotemain'>I kept Lake Bembazava Ptychochromis oligocanthus and these look

just like mine.

Mine were from Old World Exotics.</div><!--QuoteEEnd--

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Got mine at the 2005 GCCA (Greater Chicago Ciclid Association)auction as half inch fry, they

were labled P oligacanthus "east coast".
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/dstuer/image005.jpg
This shot is from a spawn last year about this time of year

[bobrfish]

Duane,

The only

East Coast Ptychos I know of are Ptychochromis grandidieri. At one time, P. grandidieri were

referred to as Ptychochromis sp. "East Coast Gold".

Looking at the images you

have posted here, these fish are not East Coast Gold.

[vkfu]

grandidieri was once

synonymized with oligacanthus but the distinction between the two is now accepted. This would

explain why Duane's fish might have been called oligacanthus 'East Coast'.

The de Rahm and Nourissat book actually describes several varieties of east coast Ptychochromis,

many of which do not resemble 'East Coast Gold' in color.

It's a real shame

that the original collection information for all these fish in the hobby has been lost. I've

been thinking about ordering some Ptychochromis from wetthumbaquatics.com but I wonder what lake

their "nossibeensis" are from and they couldn't tell me where their

"ologoacanthus Juba" were from. And OWEF no longer has oligacanthus on its list.

[dstuer]

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class='quotemain'>grandidieri was once synonymized with oligacanthus but the

distinction between the two is now accepted. This would explain why Duane's fish might have

been called oligacanthus 'East Coast'.

The de Rahm and Nourissat book actually

describes several varieties of east coast Ptychochromis, many of which do not resemble 'East

Coast Gold' in color.

It's a real shame that the original collection information

for all these fish in the hobby has been lost. I've been thinking about ordering some

Ptychochromis from wetthumbaquatics.com but I wonder what lake their "nossibeensis" are

from and they couldn't tell me where their "ologoacanthus Juba" were from. And OWEF

no longer has oligacanthus on its list.</div>
I agree, mine

are definitely not the gold type, and although you can't see it in my dark photos, they have a

nice pastel red in the unpaired fins similar to the upper photo on page 56 of "The Endemic

....by de Rham and Nourissat. I saw a gold varient in a LFS the other day, very different than

mine, shape was also a little different, more streamlined.

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class='quotemain'>I agree, mine are definitely not the gold type, and although you

can't see it in my dark photos, they have a nice pastel red in the unpaired fins similar to the

upper photo on page 56 of "The Endemic ....by de Rham and Nourissat. I saw a gold varient in

a LFS the other day, very different than mine, shape was also a little different, more

streamlined.</div>
Approx half the eggs became wrigglers

overnight, they are the dark line just beyond the bottom lip of the flowerpot.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/dstuer/image001-27.jpg

[Lisachromis]

Very cool. I hope they

work out for you.

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class='quotemain'>Very cool. I hope they work out for you.</div><!--

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This pair is pretty amazing, they evicted another fish and they've moved the

entire pile of wrigglers to his cave. I see problems on the horizon, when the fry become free

swimming.

[Damba]

Mine did the same on Friday

night but decided to eat them all after a day! This pair spawn in a pond in teh summer and make

very good parents they just don't like doing it indoors as it were. Having said that i hope

their children from the summer will be better! INterestingly half of their children have a

double spot in their dorsal. I've not seen this beofre in Oligacanthus (Although my F1 wild

MAbila Grandidieri have multiple posts in their dorsals..)

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class='quotemain'>Mine did the same on Friday night but decided to eat them all

after a day! This pair spawn in a pond in teh summer and make very good parents they just

don't like doing it indoors as it were. Having said that i hope their children from the summer

will be better! INterestingly half of their children have a double spot in their dorsal.

I've not seen this beofre in Oligacanthus (Although my F1 wild MAbila Grandidieri have multiple

posts in their dorsals..)</div>
No more left for me either,

disappeared over night. But, its what I expected in that rowdy tank.