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buntbarsch

01-25-2010, 7:52 PM

Kevin Cumberton

01-25-2010, 8:16 PM

Great fish & Great Shots! Im looking for cutteri actually myself. Both from what Ive heard are getting harder to find in the wild.

neesejohn

01-25-2010, 8:29 PM

Great shots Klaus!

John

Dean Hougen

01-25-2010, 10:26 PM

Beautiful pics, Klaus. You really bring out the beauty of these fish, particularly in that first shot.

Dean

Mrfiremouth

01-25-2010, 10:38 PM

I agree, it is a shame we are seeing habitat loss due to pollution. You would think people would realize that the water in their streams is a valuable asset that should never be polluted. I mean outside of fish habitat, clean water is still clean water!

The subtle colors in these fish really make them charming and their parental care is awesome!

newworld

01-28-2010, 11:02 AM

not to hijack but i have wild cutteri pairs on aquabid.......between the 2, spilurus has always been my favorite....i caught some great looking ones in guatemala a few years back but all turned out to be males just my luck....

Matt Quinn

01-28-2010, 12:57 PM

Gorgeous fish - always been one of my favorites.

Do you have a location for them?

Matt

I have to admit that I got stuck on the beautiful Cryptoheros group lately. Can't help myself but I love these little Central Americans.
Cryptoheros spilurum used to be very comon in our tanks a number of years ago but have since then totally disappeared. Rumors say that these pretty little cichlids will soon appear on the list of endangered species. Central and South American cichlid having a rough time in their native habitats due to polution and deforestation. I count myself lucky to have received a pair from a good friend. Here are some photos.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-2.jpg

Rick Thibert

01-28-2010, 3:11 PM

Klaus,
Some beautiful examples! Nice to see them with fry. Your photography skills are very impressive to compliment them that much more! :)
NICE! :)
Rick

primarypredator

01-29-2010, 12:15 AM

A location would be nice. According to Schmitter-Soto, the diagonal band from the eye to the mouth indicates you have chetamulensis, and I would guess from a location in Belize, maybe New River.

primarypredator

01-29-2010, 3:11 AM

Sorry, that is spelled chetumalensis.

buntbarsch

01-30-2010, 12:17 PM

Thank you all.

Eric, thank you for the information. I do not have any info about their original location but will do some research. Some of the photos were sent to Schmitter-Soto to get his opinion.

buntbarsch

02-03-2010, 3:46 PM

A location would be nice. According to Schmitter-Soto, the diagonal band from the eye to the mouth indicates you have chetamulensis, and I would guess from a location in Belize, maybe New River.

I have received an answer from Juan Jacobo Schmitter-Soto in regards to photos I posted. These fish are indeed Cryptoheros spirulus.
Here is his answer:

Dear Klaus,

Actually, I do think the fish you have is indeed Cryptoheros spilurus, not C. chetumalensis. The latter species does not display a divided first lateral bar and the body is not so deep.

I attach a reprint of the paper where a key to these species appeared.

Best wishes,

Juan Jacobo

primarypredator

02-04-2010, 12:50 AM

I have received an answer from Juan Jacobo Schmitter-Soto in regards to photos I posted. These fish are indeed Cryptoheros spirulus.
Here is his answer:

Dear Klaus,

Actually, I do think the fish you have is indeed Cryptoheros spilurus, not C. chetumalensis. The latter species does not display a divided first lateral bar and the body is not so deep.

I attach a reprint of the paper where a key to these species appeared.

Best wishes,

Juan Jacobo

Klaus-
OK, the ball is in your court, what was the collecting location?
Eric

newworld

02-04-2010, 10:15 AM

wasn't it just answered?

primarypredator

02-04-2010, 11:24 AM

wasn't it just answered?
Actually no. Someone collected the fish. For instance, the hobby fish generally in circulation were collected by Ross Socolof in Belize. So they would be chetumalensis. Ive been to Lago Izabal, home of the spilurus, but never brought any back cause they were not interesting. Many people have brought back cutteri from Honduras. So this fish Klaus has was collected, and can Klaus find out by whom and where?

afrabat

02-04-2010, 7:15 PM

Great pics Klaus ! Thanks for sharing

buntbarsch

02-05-2010, 8:05 AM

Great pics Klaus ! Thanks for sharing
Thanks Matt.

Eric, as I mentioned before, I do not have any information about the original location where these fish were caught.
If you believe that they are C. chetumalensis, that is fine by me. Especially after reading Juan Jacobo's paper, I will go with his assesment that they are in fact C. spilurus.

newworld

02-07-2010, 4:43 PM

i brought back spilurus form izabal and cutteri from honduras, what's the point?

primarypredator

02-07-2010, 5:11 PM

I have to admit that I got stuck on the beautiful Cryptoheros group lately. Can't help myself but I love these little Central Americans.
Cryptoheros spilurum used to be very comon in our tanks a number of years ago but have since then totally disappeared. Rumors say that these pretty little cichlids will soon appear on the list of endangered species. Central and South American cichlid having a rough time in their native habitats due to polution and deforestation. I count myself lucky to have received a pair from a good friend. Here are some photos.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/buntbarsch/SA-CA%20Cichlids/spilurus-2.jpg
Im not sure what your question is?
On page 38 of Schmitter-Sotos paper on phylogeny (zootaxa 1618:1-50) he has some nice drawings. Figure d says a full snout-eye stripe is chetumalensis. Figure i says anteriormost bar on body sides Y-shaped, marked, arms continuous, rostral arm not curved rostrad: spilurus.
Klaus' photo shows a nice eye-snout stripe and the rostral arm of the y-shaped bar curving: so what I think isnt really that important but thats what the debate is about, and a collecting location would help this. Did you collect these?

buntbarsch

02-07-2010, 6:45 PM

Im not sure what your question is?
On page 38 of Schmitter-Sotos paper on phylogeny (zootaxa 1618:1-50) he has some nice drawings. Figure d says a full snout-eye stripe is chetumalensis. Figure i says anteriormost bar on body sides Y-shaped, marked, arms continuous, rostral arm not curved rostrad: spilurus.
Klaus' photo shows a nice eye-snout stripe and the rostral arm of the y-shaped bar curving: so what I think isnt really that important but thats what the debate is about, and a collecting location would help this. Did you collect these?

Eric, I don't have ANY questions. ^_^

And for the last time since I have mentioned it already twice in this thead, I DO NOT KNOW THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF THESE FISH.

Hopefully this is the end of the debate. For me it is.

engine312

02-10-2010, 2:59 PM

Thanks for sharing the pictures. I use to have these years ago. I have been out of the hobby for years and just getting started back up. I have been looking for them for a couple of weeks now. I have found some European bred ones. I am not sure what the difference is? I hope to find them soon.
Thanks, Lee