I.D. Of Fish To Confirm It Is Polleni

[Mrfiremouth]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/magagascarpolleni.jpg

bad pic I know.

However, George at Piranha Realms has

about 12 of these in a 4,000g aquarium.
He said they were Madagascan Polleni.

I am

going to send him a copy of the priority list and see how many fish he is maintaining on the

list.

He has some 1/4" Altum Angel Fry growing out since 4-17-08. I was impressed

by those!

He breeds all his cichlids with very little intervention as 4,000g

aquariums with subdued lighting seem to make them feel very much at home!

I will

update if George has any fish on the list.
George is also a ACA Lifetime member, so I am

trying to get him to log on and participate!

Rich style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[bobrfish]

4,000 gallon tank

sounds interesting.

If there is any evidence the pictured fish ancestors once swam in

Ambassuana (Ambazoana) River within Madagascar and ancestors within captivity have not been crossed

with any other Paratilapia collected from other Madagascar locations, then yes it is Paratilapia

polleni. P. polleni spot size is medium amongst spot sizes found on various collection locations

for Paratilapia. Also spots of Paratilpia polleni will sometimes appear blue.
If there is no

evidence to support ancestorally history and breeding history, then it would be incorrect to call

this fish Paratilapia polleni.

[Mrfiremouth]

Thanks Bob!

I will have to get with George and find out what all he has going on.
He has hundreds

of cichlids in his 12~ 4,000g tanks and he has 4 or 6 river tanks that look about 16" long if

I measured right.

Here are some more pics I took today of other fish...

Some

Africans...
<img src="http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/africans2-

1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/africans-1.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/yellowlabs.jpg

Red Tail Cats...
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/redcat.jpg

Some nice dithers...
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/redbarbs.jpg

A large Ray...
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/ray.jpg


Some Marms trying to spawn in a large clay

pipe!!!!
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/marms.jpg

Nice Maculaudis
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/maculadis.jpg

Sweet Clown Knife
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/clownknife.jpg

Another cool cichlid...
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k44/mrfiremouth/firemouths/cichlid.jpg

[bobrfish]

Thanks for additional pics,

amazing.

[maddog10]

Rich,

The

reflection of the chair is perfectly placed, probably couldn't do that again if you tried.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
That is where the truly dedicated enthusiasts watch the fish

from.

[jmtrops]

Did he build those tanks?
Jim

[Mrfiremouth]

Yes Jim.
Plywood,

2x4's, burlap,and epoxy.
I want one bad!!!!

[jmtrops]

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Firemouth @ May 18 2008, 06:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=9933"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes Jim.
Plywood, 2x4's,

burlap,and epoxy.
I want one bad!!!!</div>
Yes, I want to build one. How can we get some of the details for that?
Jim

[Mrfiremouth]

PM BigMoCats. He was

there when they built them.
http://acaforum.com/index.php?showuser=5024

[BigMOCats]

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May 19 2008, 06:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=9949"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I want to build one. How can we get some of

the details for that?
Jim</div>


No you

don't! At least not that size........4' x 8' x 16'!! We did build a

smaller one 8' x 8' to test.
Here's some pics from the beginning, though not a

lot of detail.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557828870HbMmny


Also,

George is going to be interviewed on an upcoming episode of Blue Zoo.

http://sportstalknetwork.com/bios/reece%27s_blue_zoo.php

He is a

lifetime member of the ACA, so I'll try and get him to register here and answer all your

questions.

[viejo]

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(post=10051:date=May 25 2008, 11:03 AM:name=BigMOCats)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(BigMOCats @ May 25 2008, 11:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=10051"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>No you don't! At least not

that size........4' x 8' x 16'!! We did build a smaller one 8' x 8' to

test.
Here's some pics from the beginning, though not a lot of detail.

<a

href="http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557828870HbMmny" target="_blank">http://good-

times.webshots.com/album/557828870HbMmny</a>


Also, George is going to be

interviewed on an upcoming episode of Blue Zoo.

http://sportstalknetwork.com/bios/reece%27s_blue_zoo.php

He is a

lifetime member of the ACA, so I'll try and get him to register here and answer all your

questions.</div>
Back in the good-old-days ( 60s &

70s), plywood tanks were the order of the day coated with polyester boat resin, epoxy, asphaltum,

marine paint or what have you.. I've constructed lots of them with very good results.. Beside

being cheaper to make , they hold temperature better & are much less prone to breakage than

glass tanks.. I built my last ones back in the 90s -120 gallon grow-out vats..
Using burlap

is something that I never considered but would be appreciably less expensive than glass cloth &

I'll wager, easier & less itchy to work with...
Whoops, I forgot about my patio pond

which was 4'x 8' x 20" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif .....

[BigMOCats]

George is old school and

built many a plywood tank back in the day! He's known as "the guy with the big

tanks" by all the old-timers around here since back then he was one of the only ones doing it

in St. Louis. He also worked with/for Otto Beldt "back in the day", a name many old-

timers are familiar with.

BTW - the burlap was my idea that I picked up somewhere on the

internet. He was going to use fibreglass cloth. Another trick I picked up was adding sand to the

final coat on the ground. This way, if substrate was used, the fish moving it around wouldn't

reveal wood/burlap. Or if no substrate was used, you still have an eye-appealing bottom.

[Jran029]

I Have a male Polleni. I

really want a female to mate them. I can not find this fish anywhere. Any info on where to get one

pls email me @ Jran029@aol.com

[bobrfish]

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@ May 29 2008, 04:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=10133"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I Have a male Polleni. I really want a female to

mate them. I can not find this fish anywhere. Any info on where to get one pls email me @

Jran029@aol.com</div>
Have you posted a want ad?

[BigMOCats]

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(post=10051:date=May 25 2008, 01:03 PM:name=BigMOCats)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

(BigMOCats @ May 25 2008, 01:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=10051"><

{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, George is going to be

interviewed on an upcoming episode of Blue Zoo.</div>

Oooops!! Bad info! George was interviewed on PetFishTalk.com last week on their

weekly internet show. Replays can be heard on their site.