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fishmaven
07-11-2006, 1:24 AM
It's my opinion that

feeding feeder fish to cichlids and other fish that the recipient fish becomes more aggressive than

if fed alternative foods. Leaving aside the facts that most feeders seem to be unhealthy,

malnourished, diseased, and parasite ridden they are kept in the back rooms of most stores where

they can't normally be viewed before purchase. I've always wondered if the employee

catching the feeders had to dig through hundreds of dead fish to find the scrawny offerings he/she

did find.

So... does your experience mirror mine?? Do you feel the aggression level is

heightened by using feeders?? Is there a reason to use feeders at all?? If feeders are available in

your area or at your favorite store can you see them before purchasing them?? Does the employee go

in the back and EVENTUALLY come out with a bag "just for you?"

Is there merit

to using ANY of these feeders?? goldfish?? rosey reds?? ghost shrimp?? guppies?? livebearers like

mollies, swords or platies??

You may WANT an aggressive show fish. A single fish, kept

in a show tank that charges when someone approaches can be a treat to visitors and become a pet. I

remember a dovii kept in a 200 gallon that tried to break the tank whenever I approached him. I

loved it. I'd rather get this response from teasing and training vs using junk nutrition

though. Holding a ring with a single stone near the glass will garner the same response in a short

training period but, hey, it's your fish...

I promise, I won't heckle you just

because you use feeders. If you do, step up and tell us why. Admit it if it's just because you

like the carnage!

I actually prefer using one of these listed. After getting some

feedback from the members I'll tell you which one AND why. Dan

JustRon
07-12-2006, 5:28 AM
I like using Ghost Shrimp with

my Frontosa/Gibberosa. I have also used other small feeders, but these always come from my own fry

that I have too many of. I have never used goldfish, not even for my piranha.

Frank T
07-13-2006, 9:48 PM
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class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Admit it if it's just

because you like the carnage!</div>
well..... watching bass

feed.

otherwise, i use them as a "treat", no reason just like to do it.

i have gotten fish before that had never had them, and when givein they didnt know what to

do, at first.

for piranha and bass i give them as feeders regularly, for a bit of a

varied diet.


chain stores and and other stores only concerned about

$$$ usually have the feeders out where you can see them, but they will still give

you dead ones and sick ones.

There is a store around me, that is run by former

hobbiests, they pick out the dead and sick fish, so i buy from them.



i

havent noticed, a siginificant link to agression. just me.

MoJo
07-25-2006, 7:04 PM
I used them many years ago. The

trouble is that you never know if you are going to get a fish (goldfish) that is diseased. I would

hate like hell to loose a prized show fish to a ten cent goldfish. There are to many other good

live food sources like Meal Worms and Earth Worm, etc.. Personally I think it's irresponsible

to use them.

MsCichlid
07-31-2006, 4:33 PM
The only feeders I would

use would be a spawn from hobbyist bred fish.

bobrfish
07-31-2006, 10:30 PM
My feeders are home grown. I

would not be LFS feeders.

I use them to induce breeding in fish whose Natural diet is

fish. I enjoy watching natural behavior. As much enjoyment as I derieve from watching the feeders

devoured, I would not use feeders just for my own enjoyment.

Do feeders elict more

aggression in a fish? I do not know the answer. However, I have kept some aggressive fish. If

they became much more aggressive, I would have to give them to Mo. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif

George
08-01-2006, 8:50 AM
My fish don't get

anything live. I did feed black worms for awhile but the quality of what you get varies too much,

they are expensive, and can be a pain to keep. I also fed my Oscars and Pacu Goldfish just to

watch the carnage and hear the crunch. Crayfish really CRUNCH nice too. Don't hate me but my

kids really got a kick out of it.

I see nothing wrong with feeding your fish live

healthy fish if that would be their diet in the wild. Now I just see it as an opportunity to

unnecessarily introduce pathogens.

Once it was important to supplement your fish's

diet with live food just to provide decent nutrition. Today the advances in frozen and

flake/pellet food just make that unnecessary. It is probably better for the fish to feed a variety

of prepared foods than to feed live foods. For those fish that will not eat prepared food, breed

lots of guppies I guess.


George

Frank T
08-01-2006, 8:57 AM
Dont forget about snails,

as live food.

fishmaven
08-01-2006, 11:15 AM
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Live ! yuck. Oh, you mean for fish. I used to go through

about 30-40 a week for a puffer. Dan

Rob
02-22-2007, 8:52 PM
I don't have any idea if

feeding your fish feeders brings on aggressive behavior. However I do know that Afercian's are

more on the vegetarian side anyway. I do feed mine feeder's about twice a month. I have a Jewel

that perfer's to eat feeder's.So it's a good debate so......

Rob

Kevin Cumberton
03-03-2007, 4:08 PM
I feed live snails, meal

worms, superworms, and earthworms. I will also let them have at any cichlid fry I have in another

tank.

lazyreeler
03-13-2007, 7:58 AM
I have recently tried

feeding guppie fry to my sick peacock, with no luck. He still will not eat. I bought them at my LFS

that is a small clean shop. I like it there because they give me a lot of their attention. The

feeder tanks there are right up front and I can inspect everything, but I'm sure I would not be

able to see some harmfull things anyway. They suggested that I try to feed live food to this sick

fish. The other local shop here is more of a crank it out type of business and all their feeders

are in the back somewhere. They tell me that a lot of cichlid keepers feed live foods, but I have

not.
In regard to live foods developing aggression, my common sence tells me that live feeder

fish would create more aggression due to the chase involved. Maybe not the case with worms. Jim

avidcichlovr
03-26-2007, 9:53 PM
Hello, I am new to this

forum but not the fish scene. I had just recently in the last month purchased 8 Lake Malawi

cichlids, and I came across a web site that said 'It is unadvisable to feed freeze dried blood

worms to Red Zebra Cichlids' http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif . And I have 2 Electric Yellow cichlids, 2 Blue Peacock

cichlids, 1 Electric Blue cichlid, 1 Red Zebra cichlid, 1 Red Peacock cichlid, and upside down

catfish, and an Electric Yellow fry. I can't feed the red zebra anymore the bloodworms http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif because it causes bloating and i don't want to kill

it. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif Can anyone please tell me if the

other ones I have can't eat the bloodworms either. Greatly appreciate it http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

fisher
03-27-2007, 3:03 AM
i believe in live feed for a

fish at a small dose and a nutrient supplement for natural colour and behavior. An entire meal

alone on live fish/feed will produce too much natural energy in a small environment, fish are use

to swimming up and down the river or lake thus needing plenty food. Live food in small and variable

types are a pleasure both to watch and develop hunting skills for your fish.

An

undesired fish or live feed such as shrimp and snails are an easy solution for entertainment and

heavy handed dealers with prices, but a small aquarium with the same water with a slight adjustment

in salt with your fresh live feed in for two weeks and begin your own quarantine if your dealer for

live feed is dodgy. i always give gold fish 3 to 4 weeks but they are an entire meal for most

cichlids, 5cm goldies. natural nutrients are a must to any body, plant, animal. Just like regular

water changes. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

fishmaven
03-27-2007, 11:42 AM
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{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... a web site that said 'It is

unadvisable to feed freeze dried blood worms to Red Zebra Cichlids'.. Can anyone please tell

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I guess it'd be possible for someone to survive on Pepsi and ginger snaps but

it would be "inadvisable to do so."

I'd advise a varied diet of mostly

veggies rounded out by occasional protein treats.

Within the Feeding Cichlids section

many experienced cichlid keepers have shared what they feed their own fish as well as things to

avoid. Continuing to browse this section and others here on the Forum will give you input on types

of foods as well as product brands and names. With increased time spent here on the Forum

you'll come to accept the advice many, championing some, and wincing at others. I'd suggest

trying to find a "local" mentor, someone that lives near you, who's advice you can

count on. Someone you can share shopping trips and experiences with. Tropical fish clubs are good

places to find such resources. Hanging around a "good" fish store is yet another.

Back to the worm issue... bloodworms are rich in protein, too rich to be fed exclusively.

Rather than using "can't" I'd choose the word "shouldn't." Looking

at the body shapes of the world inhabitants, you can see that not many of us are good at taking the

advice of nutritionists, to eat a well balanced diet, BUT almost all of us realize that certain

things need to be done in moderation. I lived in Southern California for 10 years and Texas for

almost 30. Let me point out that although peppers and highly spiced foods are part of Mexican

cuisine not even Mexican populations eat such highly spiced foods at each meal. The highly seasoned

foods of the Philippines, China, Thailand, Eastern Europe and Africa could have also been used in

this example. Dan