View Full Version : Feeding feeders- develops aggression??
fishmaven
07-11-2006, 1:24 AM
It's my opinion that
feeding feeder fish to cichlids and other fish that the recipient fish becomes more aggressive than
if fed alternative foods. Leaving aside the facts that most feeders seem to be unhealthy,
malnourished, diseased, and parasite ridden they are kept in the back rooms of most stores where
they can't normally be viewed before purchase. I've always wondered if the employee
catching the feeders had to dig through hundreds of dead fish to find the scrawny offerings he/she
did find.
So... does your experience mirror mine?? Do you feel the aggression level is
heightened by using feeders?? Is there a reason to use feeders at all?? If feeders are available in
your area or at your favorite store can you see them before purchasing them?? Does the employee go
in the back and EVENTUALLY come out with a bag "just for you?"
Is there merit
to using ANY of these feeders?? goldfish?? rosey reds?? ghost shrimp?? guppies?? livebearers like
mollies, swords or platies??
You may WANT an aggressive show fish. A single fish, kept
in a show tank that charges when someone approaches can be a treat to visitors and become a pet. I
remember a dovii kept in a 200 gallon that tried to break the tank whenever I approached him. I
loved it. I'd rather get this response from teasing and training vs using junk nutrition
though. Holding a ring with a single stone near the glass will garner the same response in a short
training period but, hey, it's your fish...
I promise, I won't heckle you just
because you use feeders. If you do, step up and tell us why. Admit it if it's just because you
like the carnage!
I actually prefer using one of these listed. After getting some
feedback from the members I'll tell you which one AND why. Dan
JustRon
07-12-2006, 5:28 AM
I like using Ghost Shrimp with
my Frontosa/Gibberosa. I have also used other small feeders, but these always come from my own fry
that I have too many of. I have never used goldfish, not even for my piranha.
Frank T
07-13-2006, 9:48 PM
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class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Admit it if it's just
because you like the carnage!</div>
well..... watching bass
feed.
otherwise, i use them as a "treat", no reason just like to do it.
i have gotten fish before that had never had them, and when givein they didnt know what to
do, at first.
for piranha and bass i give them as feeders regularly, for a bit of a
varied diet.
chain stores and and other stores only concerned about
$$$ usually have the feeders out where you can see them, but they will still give
you dead ones and sick ones.
There is a store around me, that is run by former
hobbiests, they pick out the dead and sick fish, so i buy from them.
i
havent noticed, a siginificant link to agression. just me.
I used them many years ago. The
trouble is that you never know if you are going to get a fish (goldfish) that is diseased. I would
hate like hell to loose a prized show fish to a ten cent goldfish. There are to many other good
live food sources like Meal Worms and Earth Worm, etc.. Personally I think it's irresponsible
to use them.
MsCichlid
07-31-2006, 4:33 PM
The only feeders I would
use would be a spawn from hobbyist bred fish.
bobrfish
07-31-2006, 10:30 PM
My feeders are home grown. I
would not be LFS feeders.
I use them to induce breeding in fish whose Natural diet is
fish. I enjoy watching natural behavior. As much enjoyment as I derieve from watching the feeders
devoured, I would not use feeders just for my own enjoyment.
Do feeders elict more
aggression in a fish? I do not know the answer. However, I have kept some aggressive fish. If
they became much more aggressive, I would have to give them to Mo. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif
George
08-01-2006, 8:50 AM
My fish don't get
anything live. I did feed black worms for awhile but the quality of what you get varies too much,
they are expensive, and can be a pain to keep. I also fed my Oscars and Pacu Goldfish just to
watch the carnage and hear the crunch. Crayfish really CRUNCH nice too. Don't hate me but my
kids really got a kick out of it.
I see nothing wrong with feeding your fish live
healthy fish if that would be their diet in the wild. Now I just see it as an opportunity to
unnecessarily introduce pathogens.
Once it was important to supplement your fish's
diet with live food just to provide decent nutrition. Today the advances in frozen and
flake/pellet food just make that unnecessary. It is probably better for the fish to feed a variety
of prepared foods than to feed live foods. For those fish that will not eat prepared food, breed
lots of guppies I guess.
George
Frank T
08-01-2006, 8:57 AM
Dont forget about snails,
as live food.
fishmaven
08-01-2006, 11:15 AM
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Live ! yuck. Oh, you mean for fish. I used to go through
about 30-40 a week for a puffer. Dan
I don't have any idea if
feeding your fish feeders brings on aggressive behavior. However I do know that Afercian's are
more on the vegetarian side anyway. I do feed mine feeder's about twice a month. I have a Jewel
that perfer's to eat feeder's.So it's a good debate so......
Rob
Kevin Cumberton
03-03-2007, 4:08 PM
I feed live snails, meal
worms, superworms, and earthworms. I will also let them have at any cichlid fry I have in another
tank.
lazyreeler
03-13-2007, 7:58 AM
I have recently tried
feeding guppie fry to my sick peacock, with no luck. He still will not eat. I bought them at my LFS
that is a small clean shop. I like it there because they give me a lot of their attention. The
feeder tanks there are right up front and I can inspect everything, but I'm sure I would not be
able to see some harmfull things anyway. They suggested that I try to feed live food to this sick
fish. The other local shop here is more of a crank it out type of business and all their feeders
are in the back somewhere. They tell me that a lot of cichlid keepers feed live foods, but I have
not.
In regard to live foods developing aggression, my common sence tells me that live feeder
fish would create more aggression due to the chase involved. Maybe not the case with worms. Jim
avidcichlovr
03-26-2007, 9:53 PM
Hello, I am new to this
forum but not the fish scene. I had just recently in the last month purchased 8 Lake Malawi
cichlids, and I came across a web site that said 'It is unadvisable to feed freeze dried blood
worms to Red Zebra Cichlids' http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif . And I have 2 Electric Yellow cichlids, 2 Blue Peacock
cichlids, 1 Electric Blue cichlid, 1 Red Zebra cichlid, 1 Red Peacock cichlid, and upside down
catfish, and an Electric Yellow fry. I can't feed the red zebra anymore the bloodworms http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif because it causes bloating and i don't want to kill
it. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif Can anyone please tell me if the
other ones I have can't eat the bloodworms either. Greatly appreciate it http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif
fisher
03-27-2007, 3:03 AM
i believe in live feed for a
fish at a small dose and a nutrient supplement for natural colour and behavior. An entire meal
alone on live fish/feed will produce too much natural energy in a small environment, fish are use
to swimming up and down the river or lake thus needing plenty food. Live food in small and variable
types are a pleasure both to watch and develop hunting skills for your fish.
An
undesired fish or live feed such as shrimp and snails are an easy solution for entertainment and
heavy handed dealers with prices, but a small aquarium with the same water with a slight adjustment
in salt with your fresh live feed in for two weeks and begin your own quarantine if your dealer for
live feed is dodgy. i always give gold fish 3 to 4 weeks but they are an entire meal for most
cichlids, 5cm goldies. natural nutrients are a must to any body, plant, animal. Just like regular
water changes. http://cichlid.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif
fishmaven
03-27-2007, 11:42 AM
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{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... a web site that said 'It is
unadvisable to feed freeze dried blood worms to Red Zebra Cichlids'.. Can anyone please tell
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I guess it'd be possible for someone to survive on Pepsi and ginger snaps but
it would be "inadvisable to do so."
I'd advise a varied diet of mostly
veggies rounded out by occasional protein treats.
Within the Feeding Cichlids section
many experienced cichlid keepers have shared what they feed their own fish as well as things to
avoid. Continuing to browse this section and others here on the Forum will give you input on types
of foods as well as product brands and names. With increased time spent here on the Forum
you'll come to accept the advice many, championing some, and wincing at others. I'd suggest
trying to find a "local" mentor, someone that lives near you, who's advice you can
count on. Someone you can share shopping trips and experiences with. Tropical fish clubs are good
places to find such resources. Hanging around a "good" fish store is yet another.
Back to the worm issue... bloodworms are rich in protein, too rich to be fed exclusively.
Rather than using "can't" I'd choose the word "shouldn't." Looking
at the body shapes of the world inhabitants, you can see that not many of us are good at taking the
advice of nutritionists, to eat a well balanced diet, BUT almost all of us realize that certain
things need to be done in moderation. I lived in Southern California for 10 years and Texas for
almost 30. Let me point out that although peppers and highly spiced foods are part of Mexican
cuisine not even Mexican populations eat such highly spiced foods at each meal. The highly seasoned
foods of the Philippines, China, Thailand, Eastern Europe and Africa could have also been used in
this example. Dan
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