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fishmaven
09-17-2007, 9:20 AM
Sometimes your fish

will have distended bellies, they've quit eating and you realize you should have done something

about this days ago. It happens. Sometimes it's the fish that has a tendency to hide. Sometimes

it's your prize show fish and you didn't make an effort to find him last time... The

symptoms may be similar to bloat.

Whatever the reason, you've got to do something

quick. As usual, I recommend a water change. I know, but the water condition may be the problem.

You can do the tests or just do the water change. If after the water change you have time to do a

test, if the water is bad, it was worse before the water change.

From your freshly

changed tank draw two buckets of water. Stir into one of the buckets rock salt or aquarium salt, a

sea mix would be okay too. Stir in as much as can be dissolved. Yes, it'll leave a little salt

on the bottom of the bucket.

In the other bucket we'll throw in an antibiotic. We

want something that will get sucked into the fish through it's gills. If there's

hemorrhaging, (you really should have done something sooner) the meds will also go through the

wounds. My choice would either be Kanamycin or Furanace. Don't worry about the label

instructions, we're going to use one tablet or one capsule for the bucket. Doubling up on the

meds would be okay if you'd like.

Now, we're going to pull the sick fish from

the tank. Pull the usual problem decorations first. This will give you an opportunity to examine

your other fish in the tank for similar problems. Drop the sick fish into the salt solution. If you

hear a sharp intake of breathe, it's your kid, or your partner, fish don't do that. They

might if they could, but they can't. Leave him in there until he shows signs of distress,

usually 2-3 minutes. Now, catch him and throw him in the medicine bath. Leave him there for about

5 minutes. You're going to repeat this process several times. If after a few times the swelling

seems to be going down, great, that's the idea. Do the procedure at least a couple more times,

until either you or the fish are exhausted.

Now, you can throw him back in the tank. In

a few minutes his activity level will increase then settle down. Trash the water in the buckets and

rinse them. You may need to repeat the process again in a couple of days. Top up the tank and check

your sick fish afterward. He'll probably be listless but sometimes there's an immediate

change in behavior. You might try my green bean treat for a few days too.

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If you normally keep some salt in your tank, (I always

do, about 1 heaping tablespoon per 5 gallons of water, NOT the tank capacity) you might consider

doubling the salt for a while, gradually lowering the level by doing water changes. Dan

Le0
09-17-2007, 10:31 PM
You literally read my mind!

I was half way through posting a threads on thoughts of salt dips . I wasn't able to finish it

before it was time to goto work.. You really do have ESP style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Your answers were as i was taught as well for this method. To include

a possible treatment for other ailments such as Ich, and possible fluke or worms. I was told that

freshwater sickness, whatever it may be, cannot survive in saltwater and versa-visa

Thank you again for your sharing of knowledge to myself and all people out in the world who may

get a chance to read this

fishmaven
09-18-2007, 1:07 AM
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17 2007, 10:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=6872"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>...To include a possible treatment for other

ailments such as Ich, and possible fluke or worms. I was told that freshwater sickness, whatever it

may be, cannot survive in saltwater and versa-visa</div>
You're welcome. It's just part of the service. <grin>

The reduction in

size is due to osmosis- when a fluid on one side of a barrier tries to equalize with a fluid of a

different density on the other side.

Re parasites: if the parasite's density is

higher than the water you use for treatment, the water may rupture the cell wall, killing the

parasite. A freshwater dip for SW fish works wonders for certain things but can be really stressful

on fragile species, fish weakened by shipping and fish just managing to hang on. Really sick SW

species should just be isolated and water changed until they're recovered enough to withstand

the treatment.

Re diseases: you should try to make an environment NOT suited for the

disease, yet not a hardship on the fish. The addition of salt to the tank eases the osmotic

pressure on the fish as well making it harder for the bacteria to survive.
Dan

DeeCee
09-19-2007, 7:06 AM
That's great info on the

salt baths! Thanks for sharing it! Are you using a 5 gallon bucket for the treatments?
I've never tried the frozen green beans either, so I'll have to give that a whirl.

Sounds too easy to pass up.

DC

bobrfish
09-19-2007, 7:25 AM
salt bath can and will kill

protozoans
salt bath will not kill virus, fungi and many bacteria that have cell walls, the

wall prevents cell rupture

a lower salt conc in tank can also be helpful to stressed

fish. freshwater fish cells contain various osmotic items. taking free water into these cells

would lead to fish cell rupture. thus any free water entering fish needs to be removed. salt in

tank water lowers this osmotic stress and energy needs to maintain cells. now more energy is

available to immune system in fighting infections, etc.

fishmaven
09-20-2007, 1:15 PM
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@ Sep 19 2007, 07:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=6895"><{POST_SNAPBACK}

></a></div><div class='quotemain'>... Are you using a 5 gallon bucket for the

treatments?
DC</div>
I've used the five gallon buckets

and the Tetra fishfood buckets previosly. Now, when forced to use a bucket for anything I use a six

gallon bucket, just like the five but taller. That way I can put close to five gallons in the

bucket and not spill it when I carry it. Oceanic's sea salt comes in a bucket that size,

Instant Ocean too. I prefer using a white bucket. When they're clean, you can sometimes see

problems easier than a dark colored bucket.

I won a 25' Python system once, I

believe at an ACA convention. Now I rarely haul water using a bucket.
Dan

DeeCee
09-21-2007, 7:32 AM
Thanks, Dan
I assumed a

5 gal bucket, but know that some people use a 1 or 2 gal bucket with fish smaller than discus,

anyway.
I sure agree with you on Pythons - man, I think I'd be crippled for life if I

still had to haul buckets! Not to mention occassionally getting the odd mouthful of nasty tank

water.....ewww style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

DC